At 95th percentile in 5.1, BRD's total contribution is the lowest of all DPS

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Well it's kind of interesting because SE said they didn't give BRD stronger raid buffs as if they did, they'd have to reduce their DPS considerably.

It looks like this "considerable reduction" happened anyways, but BRD didn't really get much for it.

As for which job should be last, well, I think the whole band could afford to be narrowed a bit. Summoner is too high, bard is too low.

Beyond that, it is usually utility vs DPS, ie mages with rez and mobility should be lower than mages without. This was the justification for Dancer being so low on the list too. But now bard is in that position, yet also offers (much) less utility than dancer and less DPS than machinist.

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Sorry.... I meant to say "I'm 'not' changing this into a NIN discussion". Went back and edit my post. But I see what you mean. Weakening the BRD even more... I guess it's true what people were saying, BRDs are more like rangers now.

It seems like the developers seriously overestimated the power of the new song buffs, perhaps they didn't expect that Army's Paeon would provide such an absolute pittance of rDPS compared to the other two songs. The only real way forward for Bard is for the DoT nerfs to be reversed as soon as possible, since the data clearly shows this was an unnecessary nerf.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

In general it was kind of strange to shift BRD power in the same patch they just buffed other ranged damage. Like, I am not sure if they should have lowered personal DPS just because they added the song buffs back when in the same patch SMN, RDM, MCH and DNC all got boofs.

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Just to clarify one thing: This chart includes BRD's raid DPS buffs, ie songs.

So BRD's total output is lower including the damage 7 song-buffed players add. Very good players, as this is the top end.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

https://i.imgur.com/7ybyvhE.png

Ouch.

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Against SE rules to utilize 3rd party parser utilization’s. GG

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Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

Against SE rules to utilize 3rd party parser utilization’s. GG

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I didn't use a parser.

I looked at a website that aggregates performance data. There's nothing wrong with taking a screenshot of a website that collects data on jobs.

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Originally Posted by Esmoire

In general it was kind of strange to shift BRD power in the same patch they just buffed other ranged damage. Like, I am not sure if they should have lowered personal DPS just because they added the song buffs back when in the same patch SMN, RDM, MCH and DNC all got boofs.

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problem is that square during the last liveletter basically admitted ranges are struggling and will get buffed, yet when the actuall buffing happened everyone else but the strongest 2 classes got buffed for basically the same amount.

If you put aside the strongest 2, classes that were very clearly seen as outliers and until the patch happened as at least slightly overpowered than literally nothing changed for the physical ranged compared to pre patch, only that the role in itself is even more unbalanced than before the patch with mch being the one that actually gained a slight edge compared to pre patch (mind you its still pitifully weak), dnc basically taking over bards level of "hey at least i'm not the worst" and bard getting the short end of the buff stick by far

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Well it's kind of interesting because SE said they didn't give BRD stronger raid buffs as if they did, they'd have to reduce their DPS considerably.

It looks like this "considerable reduction" happened anyways, but BRD didn't really get much for it.

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Yeah I remember that too. Well at least now we have plenty of reason for them to add back a reworked Foe's Requiem and rework Warden's Paen into something useful.

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Originally Posted by RadicalPesto

It seems like the developers seriously overestimated the power of the new song buffs, perhaps they didn't expect that Army's Paeon would provide such an absolute pittance of rDPS compared to the other two songs. The only real way forward for Bard is for the DoT nerfs to be reversed as soon as possible, since the data clearly shows this was an unnecessary nerf.

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They fully admitted they were playing it REALLY conservatively when they added the buffs back to the songs. If bard is weaker than it was before (I'm going off what I'm being told since I have no first hand knowledge) then it seems they may have gone too far with the nerfs when adding the song effects. BUT I would still argue this is the better outcome than if they hadn't been so conservative. If they had broken the job and made it over powered, then it's a lot harder for them, from a player backlash perspective, to apply nerfs after a buff than to do what they've done now and then buff the job afterwards, this can even be done in a small patch, like the 5.11 patch.

Though they likely won't change the job so soon since they want to give the changes across all jobs time to settle in, most likely, before applying new balance changes. This could easily be adjusted come 5.15.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

They fully admitted they were playing it REALLY conservatively when they added the buffs back to the songs. If bard is weaker than it was before (I'm going off what I'm being told since I have no first hand knowledge) then it seems they may have gone too far with the nerfs when adding the song effects. BUT I would still argue this is the better outcome than if they hadn't been so conservative. If they had broken the job and made it over powered, then it's a lot harder for them, from a player backlash perspective, to apply nerfs after a buff than to do what they've done now and then buff the job afterwards, this can even be done in a small patch, like the 5.11 patch.

Though they likely won't change the job so soon since they want to give the changes across all jobs time to settle in, most likely, before applying new balance changes. This could easily be adjusted come 5.15.

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bard is on average 500~ dps below mch, if this waits till 5.15 brd is dead for ultimate, and thats completly ignoring that the state of the phys ranged as a whole , even mch is pretty much as bad as it was before the patch

also, on bard being weaker or not you could read my post on page 1, it should be the second or third post, basically what it boils down to is that while we are not weaker in a "deal less dps than before" sense we are indeed weaker in relation to everyone else than we were before the patch, you know, the patch that should buff us (well, all ranged) as we were struggling

well... there will always be a class at the bottom