SCH nerfed in 5.1

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Originally Posted by vtndll

So instead of fixing it so Seraph is able to cast immediately after being summoned they instead added a 2 second delay to being able to use her skills? Forgive me but I fail to see how that is a buff. If anything, at best I would consider that breaking even. It's like if someone put 10 dollars into my bank account vs. putting 12 dollars in my account with a 2 dollar service fee. At the end of the day I'm left with the same amount of money.

Honestly I would consider it a nerf since that's 2 seconds I would be spamming to try to get the ability to activate. When I was actively playing scholar I would either; wait to see what the enemy was casting so I could mitigate it or look for particular markers to mitigate. With this 2 second delay it would be uncomfortable to try to line these up with raid AoE damage.

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We had 18 seconds of time with it out before. It's now up to 20. It's a buff, though again, really oddly worded and done.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

We had 18 seconds of time with it out before. It's now up to 20. It's a buff, though again, really oddly worded and done.

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Honestly, the confusing thing to me is...It looks like they changed Bahamut Egi to work the instant it is summoned...But we get this weird way of doing it.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Honestly, the confusing thing to me is...It looks like they changed Bahamut Egi to work the instant it is summoned...But we get this weird way of doing it.

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That's what I'm trying to figure out too. I understood their intent behind the Seraph changes...but then you immediately look at Bahamut's changes and wonder why the hell they can't get Seraph to work like that.

They're giving Seraph what they did with the Automaton Queen. The MCH rook pre-80 has a 15s duration and starts doing its thing right away. The upgraded version Automaton Queen at level 80 has a longer summoning animation (5s) and they increased the duration of the summon to 20s to account for it. Same duration in the end.

I expected nothing new for SCH at 5.1 so it doesn't surprise me. SE looks so lost with healers jobs, it's just borring to hope something.

Not that these things are needed, since SCH isn't in a "bad" place per SE, but they didn't seem to address the 3 main "issues"/requests. Fey Blessings CD, Summon Seraphs CD and how 3 of our capstone skills all fight one another: Dissipation, Fey Union, and Summon Seraph. I mean it's not so much to ask for, but similar to WHM, I can see why we didn't get big changes, yet.

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Originally Posted by Archeros

I wish Disspation got this not the Seraph which i didnt really have problems with. Dissipation 'killing' the fairy b4 she casts Whispering Dawn etc (tho still putting them on cd) is soooo annoying.
Otherwise, this patch didnt really move us anywhere, and all our collective issues are still mounting lol. Woo

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From the change log this doesn’t fix any of the ghosting abilities. Not for seraph either. I think you’re misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. I understood their intent behind the Seraph changes...but then you immediately look at Bahamut's changes and wonder why the hell they can't get Seraph to work like that.

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Because whoever is in charge of the healers has no idea what they're doing and the teams clearly don't talk to each other.

I hope there are some hidden changes on the back end that allow Seraph to cast in her last four seconds and keep her from ghosting abilities during the transition in and out now. Maybe it just didn't warrant being placed in the patch notes. We can hope right?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

That's what I'm trying to figure out too. I understood their intent behind the Seraph changes...but then you immediately look at Bahamut's changes and wonder why the hell they can't get Seraph to work like that.

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I'd imagine it's because Wyrmwave is tied to SMN casting spells. Summoning Bahamut doesn't force the GCD, so SMN could essentially queue up either Ruin 3 or Outburst to be cast as soon as the animation ends, but Bahamut would not Wyrmwave like this; now he will. Serpah isn't an offensive demi so they are not going to work exactly the same way. The way they worked it and worded it is still odd though. However, what is really weird is that Consolation has charges in the first place when it is essentially the Akh Morn/Revelation ability for Seraph.