Worst housing system I have ever seen

there is no need to have housing cost real money, a game that came out in 2004 was able to give EVERYONE houses with no cost of real money. that game was everquest 2.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

Thank you. Apartments are dirt cheap and are literally everywhere on my server, on top of that, they don't hold you hostage (unlike houses), and will always be there for you no matter how long you're away from the game. I don't think the players who keep complaining about housing are ACTUALLY upset about not having their own space, they're just upset a few other players have something they don't (and something that isn't even all that I might add, as a home owner myself, I honestly just use my house as a gil sink and the occasional gardening).

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Or some people want the outdoor space/gardening and more than 1 floor to decorate. But nice generalization

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Or some people want the outdoor space/gardening and more than 1 floor to decorate. But nice generalization

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I know you won't like my answer, but I gotta keep it real: that stuff is all extra. Just because people want something, doesn't mean they should be guaranteed to have it. But let's say that they actually granted your wish and expanded upon Apartments, you do realize they would also have to add some other cool things to houses right? Since they're intended to be the superior housing options when compared to apartments.

Houses and apartments should not have equal features and amenities, there has to be some incentive to fork over those millions for your own estate. Not trying to be a jerk here, just sharing my opinion, but I honestly believe that most (key word: most) players who resent and complain about the housing in this game are upset simply because a few players have something they don't. Because let's be honest here, housing is definitely not needed to make your way through this game, especially if you have an apartment. It just really seems like the root of this issue is jealousy/envy...which I honestly don't understand because Housing is truly not even all that. It's just a gil-sink.

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Originally Posted by Kaiserdrache

Make Housing if that needs to be a thing that costs like 1 Dollar/Euro rent a half year, thats 2 Dollar/Euro a year, if that use only 1 million active players theb does earn housibg 2 million cash that should be more than enough money alone already to upgrade servers with more than enough bandwith to ensure that everyone can have own houses who actually want to have one,

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Yeah, but.. Well, sorry to tell you this, but..

People already pay for their housing. It's called their sub fee. Doubt people would be okay with people having to pay more to keep what they earned in-game. What about the people who don't have that much income they can throw away? Well, you just alienated them. Kudos!

Sure does suck when you claim "for the people" then fall into these sorts of pits. Want some rope?

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Originally Posted by Kaiserdrache

Make Housing if that needs to be a thing that costs like 1 Dollar/Euro rent a half year, thats 2 Dollar/Euro a year, if that use only 1 million active players theb does earn housibg 2 million cash that should be more than enough money alone already to upgrade servers with more than enough bandwith to ensure that everyone can have own houses who actually want to have one, because only due to that feature being there, doen't mean that all players want also to use it.
Not every player must be into housing and likes it, ther are also alot of player which don't care themself about housing in FF14 at all.

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Why on earth would you suggest something like this?!
Has the games as services culture permeated so much that now you're asking to give SE more money - like some sort of abused spouse.

If they wanted to add more houses they would. If they wanted to open more servers the would. I think it's safe to assume they want to spend their money elsewhere.

Fact is, the way it is now just sucks . The game just offers not enough plots, that everyone on a server can have a house, who is interested into one.

Why on earth did I suggest that you ask, because to give the game more options of income, because if income isn't here the root issue, then I don't know why this game is unable for 6 years now too offer dedicated Housing Servers for the world servers, so that players on the various world servers have enough bandwith space for unstanced individual playerhousing. And if I pay now 11€ for a month of playtime, ir 12€, is absolutely no big, deal, complaing about 1 €\$ is pathetic, if it would make it possible that everybody can have therefore own individual houses without space limilations.
All just a matter of priorities and looking at it from a costs/service relationship what you get for your money.

Its just natural, that if we ask for more service, that we most likely will have to pay somewhen/where/how for that, be it either through the sub, or via buying an expansion. We can't expect from SE to get a solution to the housing problem just for free >_>

And my comparison there was just my way of saying, that I'd be willing to pay monthly that 1€ more, if that in theory would be already enough, when enough people do that, to warrant that all player can experience a proper housing system in this game. 1€ more doesn't hurt, when it is spent for something you like and you want to see it getting improved.

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Originally Posted by Kenky

Yeah, but.. Well, sorry to tell you this, but..

People already pay for their housing. It's called their sub fee. Doubt people would be okay with people having to pay more to keep what they earned in-game. What about the people who don't have that much income they can throw away? Well, you just alienated them. Kudos!

Sure does suck when you claim "for the people" then fall into these sorts of pits. Want some rope?

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The sub fee isn't for the house. The sub fee is for access to the game servers.

If the sub fee was for the house, then every player would have one and wouldn't have to pay any gil to get it in the first place.

If someone is dumb enough to keep paying a sub fee to retain a house in a game they aren't otherwise playing, that's their choice.

I don't agree that getting or keeping a house should be a real money purchase, but a gil fee to retain a limited resource would make sense.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

I know you won't like my answer, but I gotta keep it real: that stuff is all extra. Just because people want something, doesn't mean they should be guaranteed to have it. But let's say that they actually granted your wish and expanded upon Apartments, you do realize they would also have to add some other cool things to houses right? Since they're intended to be the superior housing options when compared to apartments.

Houses and apartments should not have equal features and amenities, there has to be some incentive to fork over those millions for your own estate. Not trying to be a jerk here, just sharing my opinion, but I honestly believe that most (key word: most) players who resent and complain about the housing in this game are upset simply because a few players have something they don't. Because let's be honest here, housing is definitely not needed to make your way through this game, especially if you have an apartment. It just really seems like the root of this issue is jealousy/envy...which I honestly don't understand because Housing is truly not even all that. It's just a gil-sink.

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There you go. Still generalizing with nothing to prove your point. Calling everyone...sorry "most" people who are complaining jealous is just wow...
People arent complaining because the system itself is aids, and theyd like a system that benefits EVERYONE...no no its because others have something that they cant have. Are you serious???? You have to be a troll..

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

The sub fee isn't for the house. The sub fee is for access to the game servers.

If the sub fee was for the house, then every player would have one and wouldn't have to pay any gil to get it in the first place.

If someone is dumb enough to keep paying a sub fee to retain a house in a game they aren't otherwise playing, that's their choice.

I don't agree that getting or keeping a house should be a real money purchase, but a gil fee to retain a limited resource would make sense.

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Thing is, that could just as easily punish the people who do keep a sub active on a month-per-month basis. Just because they aren't logging in consistently doesn't mean they want to suddenly lose their house because they couldn't find the hours to pay an arbitrary gil tax. It'd just rub people the wrong way all around and necessitate even more time that they may not have. Should they be punished because of that after they've already gone through the effort of plunking down millions for the plot?

And while this may not be an issue for some--I'm an active crafter and gil's no real obstacle for me--it'll still hit those who aren't as great at making a digital income. Especially since to make the gil tax a feasible idea, you'd need to make it in the ballpark of a sizable chunk in order to push it as a legitimate worry. I play a game to get away from the idea of paying taxes; I don't need it permeating my pretend-y fun times, too.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

To be honest, I'd support a rent/property tax type system over boosting purchase prices like some players want. It's more akin to getting a mortgage - make a down payment then pay the rest over time instead of needing a huge amount of gil up front. It also ends up a more effective gil sink because it's taking more gil out of the economy over time than the single upfront purchase fee does.

It's not a disastrous idea. The disaster would only happen if poorly implemented. Still, I don't think it's something SE is going to consider let alone do at this point unless they can't come up with different housing solutions and need to find a way to lower demand for what is already in the game.

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That's a terrible idea to me, just make the purchase price higher. But once someone buys a house they should own it unless they reach the demo timer. If someone grinds out gathering or crafting, or whatever they need to do to raise the gil, they shouldn't be able to turn around and lose their house because they can't put a lot of hours into the game for a time or want to play aspects of it that may not provide them much gil.

I spent almost every gil I had on my first house, and then I went and finished the Realm Reborn storyline, and all of the quests to get the HW. I barely had any furniture. Should I have lost my house because I wanted to take a break from grinding out gil and do something else in the game?