Vote Kick griefing

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Originally Posted by Ordin

Does SE have an official stance on this? I havnt seen anything after looking around.

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Yes, they do. It's considered Obstruction of Play.

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Originally Posted by Square Enix

・Improper expulsion voting
This means excluding another person by manipulation of expulsion voting.

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Source: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

Report them, let Square sort them out.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Per SE, "playstyle differences" is a valid reason to kick someone from a group. At least half of the group thought you were a problem, so off you went.

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This is no longer true. See above.

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Originally Posted by galbsadi

Yes, they do. It's considered Obstruction of Play.


Source: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216

Report them, let Square sort them out.



This is no longer true. See above.

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There are no reports by players showing that differences of playstyle are no longer a valid reason for kicking and they were punished for it. Not even a single one here or on Reddit. Stop spreading misinformation.

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Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX

There are no reports by players showing that differences of playstyle are no longer a valid reason for kicking and they were punished for it. Not even a single one here or on Reddit. Stop spreading misinformation.

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I literally quoted and linked to a SE official policy.

Stop calling SE official policies 'misinformation.'

If they didn't say anything in chat that would indicate the kick was done to grief, nothing will happen to them as it would fall under "differences in playstyle". A healer not doing enough damage is a valid reason to dismiss.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Not doing ENOUGH DPS as a healer: any metric through which they determined this would itself be a TOS violation...

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Castbars and DoTs on targets.

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Originally Posted by Ordin

Does SE have an official stance on this? I havnt seen anything after looking around.

I got kicked by a premade pty for not doing enough damage as a healer. This was in a dungeoun roulette mind you... There were no deaths, pty never wiped and they kicked me right before final boss to grief me.

This is the second time it has happened to me. Last week I got kicked for using Superboilde in dungeoun pull when my hp "wasn't low enough" and healer freaked out and and started spazzing. no one died there either...

I dont know if i just had bad luck matching with tryhards in a dungeon roullette ..
but if you are not causing death, wiping party, harassing people or afk they shouldnt be allowed to grief us with impunity

Specificaly im talking about duty roulettes where people like me play casually and are just trying to level, you are being matched with randoms

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Well only way they could gauge how much damage you were doing was if they had were using a parser so there is that too.

How ever you said premade was it for a savage trial or raid? Then roulette. By Roulette do you mean duty finder? I ask because in a premade especially savage I would expect that kind of jive. Duty Finder I have only run across that kind of behavior maybe twice in my 2 years of playing. Of course might be a server thing most of the servers attached to Siren are pretty chill.

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

If they didn't say anything in chat that would indicate the kick was done to grief, nothing will happen to them as it would fall under "differences in playstyle". A healer not doing enough damage is a valid reason to dismiss.


Castbars and DoTs on targets.

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Yeah but they said not ENOUGH damage Which to me means not enough to suit the party but he was still doing some. Pretty lame if they were sitting there counting cast bars each and every fight.

But either way you make a good point with "Differences in Play style, again it's a bunch of crap but not much the OP can do.

I will say this if it was duty finder not savage and the party was needing the Heals DPS they had a whole lot bigger issues. Folks like that need to get a grip!

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Originally Posted by galbsadi

I literally quoted and linked to a SE official policy.

Stop calling SE official policies 'misinformation.'

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An official but vague policy. Followed to the letter, you could even report people saying Hello to you because you felt offended by it.

Not to mention reality doesn't seem to reflect policy. People still keep kicking for differences in playstyle. People aren't getting punished for it.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Superboilde - knocks you to 1hp and the. The healer has to heal you up. I could see a healer freaking out over that but I would need a lot more info to know if that freak out was justified.

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Here is how every Superbolide goes:

https://i.imgur.com/jTiK2id.png

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Originally Posted by Vnolan

If they didn't say anything in chat that would indicate the kick was done to grief, nothing will happen to them as it would fall under "differences in playstyle". A healer not doing enough damage is a valid reason to dismiss.


Castbars and DoTs on targets.

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1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did. Parsers are against the rules.

2. It is a dungeon, not a freaking savage raid. These players need to get over themselves.

3. The OP should blacklist these players. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did. Parsers are against the rules.

2. It is a dungeon, not a freaking savage raid. These players need to get over themselves.

3. The OP should blacklist these players. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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It can be pretty telling when your healer is just sitting there spamming cure, or waiting around for you to take damage. Parsing isn't needed to see lazy players.

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Originally Posted by HWalsh

1. There is no legitimate way they could know how much damage he did. Parsers are against the rules.

2. It is a dungeon, not a freaking savage raid. These players need to get over themselves.

3. The OP should blacklist these players. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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0 DPS would be very clear

If DPS started pressing one button every 5 seconds and got away with it, you'd be singing a different tune really fast. Also, it's a multi-player game. No one's there to carry others.

Blacklist doesn't work for roulettes. But I do hope they blacklisted OP so they don't crash their PF parties with "you don't pay my sub" mentality.