My 2 cents as a high ranked WoW PvP'er

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Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh

While Frontline PvP might be somewhat valuable in a premade, it's still a pug-based system. What you can gain for actually fighting others in a pug is far too little compared to just doing the objectives and disengaging, considering you risk losing way more if people aren't on the same page. Also been on the receiving end of premades now. Makes playing a healer feel incredibly depressing. Melee Adrenaline Rush is so insanely anti-fun. I understand you can stun it and such, but when there's 5 of them zerging you I can't even imagine a full premade stopping all of them from 1-shotting you with a point-and-click button, let alone these random pugs.

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I think something else you need to take into account is the PvP is insanely brawl-style. You're supposed to die a lot and kill a lot. You aren't supposed to live through being zerged and LBed with 3 people on you in Frontlines. Despite it having some kind of ladder, we don't take our larger scale battles as seriously on Final Fantasy as on WoW where people will flame over the most trivial mistakes and tell you to get cancer or whatever. It's literally designed to be meme. The only intentional serious modes are LP and Solo Q Feast.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

...The only intentional serious modes are LP and Solo Q Feast.

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Which is sad, 'cause feast sucks. I have no idea what SE was thinking with the medal system. Well, if I'm not mistaken they removed the heavy/light medal status which makes it better. I haven't tried it yet for this expansion, so it may as well be great now for all I know.

Frontline is casual for sure, but there are more ways to play intelligent in fl than in feast. Sadly the player base skill-level (and investment) is so low it's ridiculous, which again obfuscates the potential experience. If you play at any jap server you'll notice the difference (but they may be a bit too meta). On NA/EU servers pugs rule. So in a sense you could say it's smarter to play assuming everyone sucks. But you don't do that in PvE, so why do that in PvP? If you assume everyone sucks, at least try to lead before going pug yourself.

All this being said, SE really has nerfed PvP since Heavensward. Now, PvP has become a mini-game of PvE. There is far less room for personal glory. SE was probably hoping to level the playing field, which they did to a certain extent to be fair. But the best players, pre stormblood, are still the best players. Well... Those who didn't quit that is.

The problem for me with PVP in this game is that there is no reason do it, you can basicly farm every item you can buy from wolf marks in 1 week then your done...

Add new better rewards or gear that you can use for PVE aswell, PVP alone isn't fun for me in this game unless there is something to gain from it.

Also unless you are running a premade in Frontlines it's pretty damn shitty if you ask me.
Either add a Solo Q frontline only and let premades fight each other or something but i guess that the Q times wont let that happen.
Feast is the only decent PVP mode this game has to offer sadly but with all these new pvp changes that might change also because right now it's dead.

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Originally Posted by snipski

The problem for me with PVP in this game is that there is no reason do it, you can basicly farm every item you can buy from wolf marks in 1 week then your done...

Add new better rewards or gear that you can use for PVE aswell, PVP alone isn't fun for me in this game unless there is something to gain from it.

Also unless you are running a premade in Frontlines it's pretty damn shitty if you ask me.
Either add a Solo Q frontline only and let premades fight each other or something but i guess that the Q times wont let that happen.

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^Bearing in mind, this is a multi top 10/20 player.

There is literally no reason for me to run frontlines because I own basically every wolf mark item in the game, so all that leaves is enjoyment - and it is not enjoyable mode to play for me. The condensed combat system combined with the fact that I will literally get smashed most of the time solo queueing it stops me from playing it. Which leaves onto Snipski's 2nd point that there should be a solo q for it. The Q times probably would improve, I'm sure there's more people that will play it if you can't queue for it in any less than a party of 2-3 than will stop playing it completely if they don't have their premades. I only refuse to queue for it without one because if not, it's a horrid experience.

This is not WoW.
Maybe you dont know this but FF base hates players from that game and think of its players and highly unskilled. Maybe you are skilled maybe youre not, i dont know, but labeling a topic as youre a wow player is going to just turn the majority of the player base from ignoring what you say right off the bat.

Most would remain silent on the remark, but still think it automatically.

Im only mentioning it because the mentality has been there since ff11, exists strongly in 14 and probably will be until one of the games completely dies.

(You can still find old videos of ff11 players ragging on wow players for being brain dead football jock straps) There are more then a few thousand pun videos aimed at it.

One for example here, around 2:25 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8ePHJyK5Pd8

Yes its discriminatory k, but yes thats how it is.

And yes, pvp in 5.0+ sucks.

I used to love it, I ran with premades and was rank 1 multiple times for months off/on only swapping with my friends who were rank 1 across all DCs, (you may check our public ranking on the lodestone months back if youd like)

SE has destroyed PVP.
If you are casual, you can now join pvp and be good even if you are crap. It is not a skillful mode any longer.

No PvP in Frontline? What was this, 24 or 72? 72 are what the maps and mechanics are designed for. 24 simply exists in order to make the queue pop easier.

It depends on the map and player amount, objectives are important, yes, but you very often lose if you try to ignore the other teams. Secure and Seize more so than Shatter.

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Originally Posted by UnrealTai

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[PRAYER EMOJI]

People always forget the temporary alliance between the 2nd and 3rd place teams when the 1st is a runaway. Or it comes to late. There is strategy to be had when people have order.

I wish Yoshi P would take the pve out of my pvp.

I'm so tired of people running away from fights in pvp. The maps are too big too, get mounts out of pvp.

People should be fighting on cap points. Nobody protects cap points.

I love pvp. I hate FFXIV pvp.

I'm top ranked in tic tac toe (source:my foot) do I get a say?

I think, skill wise, its the most balanced than any mmo and people who want the old system back just want to curb stomp with meta buttons.