SE Please No More Skill Spam!

as sb warrior... "wait how many fellcleaves are we using now? 5,6,7,8? zzZZZ"

phoenix looks to me like bahamut reskin, at least from what we saw on the vid. he has almost the same attack as bahamut while its summoned. sure we dont have all the information and dont know how it works, but it makes this impression to me.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Samurai gains the ability to use Midare Setsugekka twice in a row.

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My understanding is this is part of the charge system. It occurs when an action has elapsed its cooldown multiple times. This allows you to use the action multiple times in succession. You are no longer penalised for using an action late because some of the cooldown of its next iteration has already elapsed, which could help further reduce the skill gap between players.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Like, first we have Warrior and Inner Release and Paladin with Requiescat where the idea is to pop a CD and then spam your hardest hitting skill as many times as possible.

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Come to think of it, I've no problem with Paladin using lots of Holy Spirits. It's very satisfying, so perhaps it would be on Samurai too.

Eh, Sam in other games has played in this way. It reminds me a little of the self-skillchain spam SAMs did in XI. I think that we should probably be grateful that they are looking at the kits to begin with and rethinking the bloat.

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Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

Midare isn't that great anyway. Usually you don't want to use it but instead transfer it with Hagakure into Kenki for more Hissatsu: Shinten, as the potency is higher. Now, if you can transfer two Midare into EVEN MORE Shinten, that would be really great <3

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Hagakure is most likely gone or changed to not consume sen. The first sam skill shown in the video is the replacement/a traited hagakure that doesn't burn sen most likely, given, "had reviewed and revised the effects of hagakure so that you can activate midare more smoothly."

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Originally Posted by Kalise

So, I'm starting to get a bit concerned about the direction that SE seems to be taking some jobs.

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Allowing us to spam these skills doesn't increase how fun they are to use, but instead, do the opposite, they make them feel worse to use.

It's literally the reason why I can't stand the current Inner Release implementation, because Fell Cleave doesn't feel impressive to use, when every 90s I'm expected to throw out 5x Fell Cleaves that are Critical Direct Hits...

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Full agreement from me, but seems we're in the minority.

A large amount of people seem fine with pressing the same button over and over so long as big numbers appear on screen.

I’m kinda interested in these trigger abilities for Gunbreaker, I haven’t seen much on this yet.
It’s like an opposite-Dark Arts, that you use after the ability that it augments. If it works like it sounds, then this is an entirely new kind of mechanic, like the charged abilities, and I think it might also be apparent in BLM’s double-Foul, as the second Foul looks different to the first. Almost like an oGCD combo system.
It sounds like, if you use the trigger ability within 1 or 2 seconds of the augmented ability it has a bonus effect, or it can only be used within that time, or within the animation of the augmented ability.
This would be a lot better than just 'skill spam'.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

I simply ask SE: Can we not?

Can we not go down a road where we devalue every hard hitting, satisfying to use skill by making us use them a bunch of times in quick succession?
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That's Exactly what the comvbat system has been since Even Alpha days. skill spam, skill spam and even more skill spam..... and according to some not enough skill spam cos gcd is lonnnnnnnggggg

this is why alot of folks way back then preferred the 1.23 battle system as skills felt more powerful and satisfying to use rather than something to be spammed every 2 seconds... to this day I still prefer it. but sadly most of those who would have agreed have long since unsubbed. and only a tiny circle of friends keeps me here..

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Originally Posted by Dzian

That's Exactly what the comvbat system has been since Even Alpha days. skill spam, skill spam and even more skill spam..... and according to some not enough skill spam cos gcd is lonnnnnnnggggg

this is why alot of folks way back then preferred the 1.23 battle system as skills felt more powerful and satisfying to use rather than something to be spammed every 2 seconds... to this day I still prefer it. but sadly most of those who would have agreed have long since unsubbed. and only a tiny circle of friends keeps me here..

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To be honest... Being active during your normal rotation is nice. Like, it's good to have skills to use frequently.

I even argue that the GCD is too long.

My issue comes when you get these high potency skills that are big and satisfying, sort of feeling almost like a personal Limit Break type skill.

Then they decide "Oh, now you just cast it 40,000,000 more times and that's your rotation kthxbai"

Like, learning Fell Cleave was great, it felt cool do slam enemies for high damage. Then Inner Release was changed and now the skill feels boring and meaningless because it's just that skill you spam constantly...

I had the same feeling with Fire IV Mage, when unlocking Fire IV it was like "Wow, that's really strong, that feels great to cast" then when using the actual rotation it's now one of the most boring skills in the game because you just spam it a bunch and that's your entire damage output outside a few Fouls and Thunders...

It's the same thing with Midare Setsugekka. I LOVE using the skill, it feels great to use, the build up, the charging, the high damage it does deal... It all feels satisfying. Even when you use Meikyo Shisui to use 2 of them in quick succession, it still feels rewarding because you had to use the CD and get all the attacks off fast enough to even get the Midare Setsugekka > Meikyo Shisui > Kasha > Gekko > Yukikaze > Midare Setsugekka.

It just seems that SE are balancing jobs around just giving them ways to simply spam their strongest skills a ton. Which makes them feel less good to use...

I think combat is far more interesting when you use a mix of frequent, lower damage attacks and infrequent high damage attacks...

Nah, spamming fell cleaves and see all those BIG numbers popping up continuously is the most satisfying feelings in this game for me.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

It just seems that SE are balancing jobs around just giving them ways to simply spam their strongest skills a ton. Which makes them feel less good to use...

I think combat is far more interesting when you use a mix of frequent, lower damage attacks and infrequent high damage attacks...

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to be fair, we still dont know the tooltips and traits for many of the classes so we don't know how they're going to play out just yet. and in practice, we dont know how its going to interact with battle encounters. getting these "attack spams" could be beneficial before phase changes, and perhaps in long fight spans there is another option. honestly though I dont really see a big difference from 4.x combat concerning skill spam.