The Nothing Better To Do But Speculate Thread - Tanks

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

For example if they make tank stance give enough enmity they could get rid of flash and just give gladiator total eclipse at the level we currently get flash.

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But i like my flash, blinding mf's is cool.
Now seriously, i dont see a issue with flash, they can keep it for the blind effect aloun, i even use from time to time dark arts>dark passenger for the blind (as a deff cd) in low lvl duty's where u lack some of the higher lvl actions which help u not get rekt.

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Originally Posted by Maneesha

But i like my flash, blinding mf's is cool.
Now seriously, i dont see a issue with flash, they can keep it for the blind effect aloun, i even use from time to time dark arts>dark passenger for the blind (as a deff cd) in low lvl duty's where u lack some of the higher lvl actions which help u not get rekt.

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They could keep it but it just seems like an easy target to cull if they want to keep button bloat down as new abilities are added.

Also note to self: Take the namazu helmet off when I log in next.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Just watch when the expac goes live, all of the DPS still don't use their aggro mitigation skills because they don't read the tooltips and don't what role actions are and just happen to rip aggro from tanks because tanks don't use high enmity AoEs to hold aggro because it's a DPS loss and they bring back aggro combos just so the BLM doesn't rip aggro from tanks, especially DRK mains...

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DPS won't have enmity tools any morex they've been removed.
NIN has also lost Smoke Screen and Shade Walker.

warrior didn't get much shown seems like all tanks get a intervention now just so they can work with this "we set MT and OT but it doesn't matter" idea
but did see that over head swing of War which is nice that they are giving tanks more aoe
especially paladin so the job wont be dreadful in dungeons.

Further musings and implications

Kage Bunshin No Jutsu "Uses your cooldowns / abilities"

New AoE combo, branches from unleash, builds 20 blood.

Abyssal Drain nowhere in sight.

Shadowclone pops up.
Abyssal Drains.

Abyssal Drain is now an OGCD?

No that doesn't parse. it's clearly using GCDs unless all blood is OGCD now.

Warrior Intervention appears to be Bloodbath. The life leech sound is heard on the two weaponskills immediately following its use, while a couple orbs are sen surrounding the warrior.

There are some possibilities here.

-Warrior gives health to the target in question, and receives Leeching to get it back.
-Warrior leeches health, restoring their own and the targets.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

With the way they phrased things with the new tank stance, I wonder if they'll get rid of 'high enmity' abilities and just have that as an on/off switch.

For example if they make tank stance give enough enmity they could get rid of flash and just give gladiator total eclipse at the level we currently get flash.

I have a feeling this may REDUCE enmity issues in general because there's really no reason for tanks in dungeons to not have their tank stance on at all times now, and in raids/trials tanks won't be going without tank stance for the sake of more damage. If provoke/shirk still works, then even off tanks can get good enmity without needing to keep the stance on and risk pulling from the MT.

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*BLM rips aggro from tank regardless* This is why we need those high enmity burst combos still... the BLM keeps ripping aggro and Shirk is on cooldown... :(

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

They could keep it but it just seems like an easy target to cull if they want to keep button bloat down as new abilities are added.

Also note to self: Take the namazu helmet off when I log in next.

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I honestly prefer new traits over new 4-5 new abilities per expansion...

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

*BLM rips aggro from tank regardless* This is why we need those high enmity burst combos still... the BLM keeps ripping aggro and Shirk is on cooldown... :(

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We'll have to see, with the changes to stances and enmity just having the enmity stance on and doing the tank's damage rotation may well be enough to keep ahead of dps.

As for traits vs abilities, I don't think we need to remove and add abilities just for the sake of having new ones, but natural extensions to existing ones or changes that fit with overall changes in job design IMO are fine. For example the changes to tank stance and enmity kind of render savage blade, rage of halone and flash as unnecessary in their current forms. So either removing them to make room for new spells or reworking them like they apparently are with RoH makes sense.

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

*BLM rips aggro from tank regardless* This is why we need those high enmity burst combos still... the BLM keeps ripping aggro and Shirk is on cooldown... :(

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With the new provoke now giving you and aggro lead instead of just equal, you have the solution to that problem.