Raid DPS Contribution is IMPORTANT

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

Just because Chain and Cards exist doesn't mean they're going to be contributing the same amount of damage.

With the lack of emphasis on synergy I can't imagine you'll be able to get as much out of chain specifically.

I understand the pessimism that comes with how let down WHM mains have been in the past but let's not lose our minds until we see what the cards and chain do

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Chain is probably still going to stay meta, unless they SIGNIFICANTLY reduce its Crit %(I'm talking down to 5% instead of 15%). As for AST Cards, They said something about roles. We'll have to figure out the typology regarding which cards go where when drawn. With an even stronger emphasis on single buffing instead of AoE, we need to look at what WHM brings on the 29th when Press Releases happen. The big worry for everyone waiting is that SE didn't actually fix the problem, and instead overtuned AST/SCH comp again since SCH already has more than enough tools to handle just about anything right now.

Secretly, the only thing I hope for is that Shields are in fact a Max HP %(Like 10-15%) instead of a flat number that can mitigate Omega's Savage Delta Attack without Tank LB3 and significant party mitigation.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Chain is probably still going to stay meta, unless they SIGNIFICANTLY reduce its Crit %(I'm talking down to 5% instead of 15%). As for AST Cards, They said something about roles. We'll have to figure out the typology regarding which cards go where when drawn. With an even stronger emphasis on single buffing instead of AoE, we need to look at what WHM brings on the 29th when Press Releases happen. The big worry for everyone waiting is that SE didn't actually fix the problem, and instead overtuned AST/SCH comp again since SCH already has more than enough tools to handle just about anything right now.

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Chain Stratagem is numerical weak, that is an undeniable fact. It's around a 1-1.25% increase to raid DPS in 4.5 gear, in the earlier patches with lower crit damage multipliers, it's even less then that. In potency terms, you're looking at somewhere between 600-800 potency per minute to equal whatever gain Chain Statagem has. Black Lily seems to be very capable of doing that.

And just to do the math for you: Chain Stratagem at 5% would be a hideous 0.33-0.42% raid DPS gain in 4.5 gear. That's roughly 200 to 266 potency per minute...

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

From what is sounds like, Pure Healing simply means that SCH and AST barriers are going to be less effective. If this is the case it just pushes the problem no solves it because SCH and AST will be able to pure heal and buff, while WHM will be able to pure heal and......?

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Yeah that's what I'm worried about. And then in 6.0 SE will tell us we're still not getting a new healer because they want to focus on balancing the healers...

Just make them the BLM of healers.
Give them enough personal DPS to cover the difference of rDPS that AST/SCH brings, and it would be fine.
But if you look at current AST/SCH, they out DPS WHM usually, and bring rDPS on top of that. (Mostly due to oGCD heal options for the other healers being more effective at saving GCDs)

But yeah, the live letter didnt make us think WHM was saved, it just made us think SE really doesnt understand how to balance the healers still.
(Whos idea was it to remove mitigation from WHM, the healer with the most mitigation in the series, and give it to the 2 healers who have rDPS? Hopefully they will properly get shield healing handled right this time, so they can fix DPS next time, if they didnt fix it this time.)

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

Chain is probably still going to stay meta, unless they SIGNIFICANTLY reduce its Crit %(I'm talking down to 5% instead of 15%). As for AST Cards, They said something about roles. We'll have to figure out the typology regarding which cards go where when drawn.

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You have to consider Chain outside the context of well-coordinated synergy, though. If they're to be believed there won't be the same level of coordination available to us. We already know brd lost its own passive crit buff and also doesn't benefit from crit in nearly the same way that it once did.

If the meta becomes a few high damage jobs executing their bursts when available (likely with a DNC buffing one of them) Chain won't give best the same value that it does now even if they buffed it's actual numbers.

I agree, cards are a mystery.

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Originally Posted by FusionSamurai

WHM dead on arrival once again. Please look forward to it.

(big levi fan btw)

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All the healers are going to be dumbed-down from what we see right. I'm dreading the release of this expansion. Not only did we not get a new healer release, but on top of that they're trashing the healers we currently play.

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Originally Posted by Truen

All the healers are going to be dumbed-down from what we see right. I'm dreading the release of this expansion. Not only did we not get a new healer release, but on top of that they're trashing the healers we currently play.

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I wouldn't necessarily say "trashing", more like they've undermined the healers from the ground up to fix issues that we have now.

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Originally Posted by Truen

All the healers are going to be dumbed-down from what we see right. I'm dreading the release of this expansion. Not only did we not get a new healer release, but on top of that they're trashing the healers we currently play.

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trashing healers by adding new mechanics to them. Yeah. Alright.

TOOOOTALLY RUINING THEM.

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Originally Posted by Vivian_Vex

trashing healers by adding new mechanics to them. Yeah. Alright.

TOOOOTALLY RUINING THEM.

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Adding new mechanics? That's a spin. It's more accurate to admit they're stripping down and homogenizing the healer archetype instead. There's nothing to celebrate about this update if you're a Scholar main. It's going to suck.

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Originally Posted by Truen

Adding? More like stripping down, minimizing, and homogenizing the healer archetype instead. There's nothing to celebrate about this update if you're a Scholar main. It's going to suck.

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Well, let's face it: SCH's been a staple of the Raid Meta for years. Having a shake-up or two isn't going to kill SCH(and even though I do think they should've had SCH keep some AoE at 4.0, they eventually gave it back), but rather evolve it. I mean, they're going to have a RESPONSIVE FAIRY for once. No more independent pet systems that require macros to execute.