What if "battle system changes" includes dividing DPS types

Technically there are already 2 dps queues, it just doesn't show it. Ranged and melee are split.

You can queue as a melee now, get 1 wait time and role waiting list number. Queue as ranged and you will have a longer wait time and a higher number, at least in my experience.

Same thing shows if you queue in a party with a friend, 1 melee 1 ranged. You will have different wait times and role waiting list numbers for roulettes.

It just doesn't require one of each, and will accept 2 melee or 2 ranged for a duty to not hold up queues.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

...do you think they're planning to divide DPS into their three groups? ...

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No, they will not, for a reason.

In the dark days of the never ending dps queue, In the past, DF queue were taking account of a composition of Tank, Healer, Melee and Ranged DPS for the party composition (double that, for 8-men stuff). This always had given biblical queues for the dps role, with even memes on the forum and screenshot games of who got the longest queue wait time.

Then, the Gods Developers decided to trash it and just ask two any dps, and queue times got reduced of at least two magnitudes. Ain't telling today them are instant, but the wait time you have today is a joke compared to what we had to suffer in the past.

So, no, DNC will continue to fit in DF as every one other dps job.

No with this change it just means melee dps will probably have slightly faster queue times as its now 4 vs 6. The 4 melee vs 6 ranged.

The DF for each dungeon tries to pair a melee and a ranged dps together. The formula is still there however if the duty finder cannot find a melee/ranged combination it will grab the next melee or ranged dps in the queue to fill the slot.

Can somebody give me a valid reason as to why FFXIV has only 2 DPS slots per party and not 3 slots like most other MMOs? Having 3 DPS slots for Light Party and 5 DPS slots for Full Party would solve a ton of issues.

Sometimes, being different does not automatically make things better. FFXIV only having 2 DPS slots is a perfect example of this.

Segmenting the dps queue wouldn't really help with avoiding the hit from dancer's inclusion. All it'd do is save some dps, and make the lives of brd/mch much worse, since they would share a queue. Same with every time an expansion adds a new dps, whichever DPS shares a queue will end up eating the very short end of the stick.

I remember when stormblood came out and everything was flooded with red mages. Imagine how terrible DPS queues would have been for BLM/SMNs stuck in that queue, if the pain of the new FOTM DPS class wasn't shared with the whole dps pool.

Adding another party slot is also overkill for a problem that's mostly temporary on expansion release.

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Originally Posted by NYCAcimStudent

Can somebody give me a valid reason as to why FFXIV has only 2 DPS slots per party and not 3 slots like most other MMOs? Having 3 DPS slots for Light Party and 5 DPS slots for Full Party would solve a ton of issues.

Sometimes, being different does not automatically make things better. FFXIV only having 2 DPS slots is a perfect example of this.

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It's unlikely someone will be able to provide you with a reason that you, personally, will find valid. That said, one ranged and one melee is why.

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Originally Posted by NYCAcimStudent

Can somebody give me a valid reason as to why FFXIV has only 2 DPS slots per party and not 3 slots like most other MMOs? Having 3 DPS slots for Light Party and 5 DPS slots for Full Party would solve a ton of issues.

Sometimes, being different does not automatically make things better. FFXIV only having 2 DPS slots is a perfect example of this.

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Personally I've played some of those other mmos, and dps queues were not any shorter.

Most of mine are less than 10 minutes as it is now, and that's with the content drought.

They would never do that, it would over complicate things for no reason.

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Originally Posted by NYCAcimStudent

Can somebody give me a valid reason as to why FFXIV has only 2 DPS slots per party and not 3 slots like most other MMOs? Having 3 DPS slots for Light Party and 5 DPS slots for Full Party would solve a ton of issues.

Sometimes, being different does not automatically make things better. FFXIV only having 2 DPS slots is a perfect example of this.

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Sometimes, the number of DPS slots aren't the major factor.

It all comes down to the ratio of Tank/Healer vs DPS.

For example, back when I played WoW (Pre-Unsub from Azeroth expac) it was normal for DPS to have 30 minute queues for dungeon at a minimum. LFR's could often reach 1 hour minimum queues.

This is 5 man content with 3 DPS slots and 25 man content with 17 DPS slots.

Of course, the worse the DPS to Support ratio is in a game, the better queues will be with larger parties consisting of more DPS slots. So if in the aforementioned WoW scenario if there was only 2 DPS spots in a dungeon, queues would be a lot worse.

That said, a portion of the blame rests on the fact that people would often run premade groups rather than PuG because the average IQ of match-maker groups was in the negative region... No-one wants to Tank for/Heal Billy No-Brain who keeps standing in all the fire and is doing 0 DPS, so they just stopped grouping with him.

As for why XIV is using a 4x/8x system? Who knows. Perhaps they liked the idea of parties being Tank/Healer/mDPS/rDPS with full parties having an 2x each with an extra wildcard DPS that could be either mDPS/rDPS. Perhaps they were just fond of even numbers. Maybe developer got bullied as a kid by someone that lived at house number 5. :confused:

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Originally Posted by NYCAcimStudent

Can somebody give me a valid reason as to why FFXIV has only 2 DPS slots per party and not 3 slots like most other MMOs? Having 3 DPS slots for Light Party and 5 DPS slots for Full Party would solve a ton of issues.

Sometimes, being different does not automatically make things better. FFXIV only having 2 DPS slots is a perfect example of this.

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Three, four, even five DPS slots for dungeons; you're still going to be waiting on a tank and/or a healer to enter the queue. The wait times are a result of the lack of tanks and healers at any given time. Like I always say, if you want to help DPS queue time, then play a tank or a healer.