Is it possible that the Au Ra were an allagan experiment?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Except they actually, confirmably exist and have had a clear influence on the world.

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Yes, of course, but I'm referring to the meme, not about whether Allagans really existed in Eorzea. You know, if in doubt, "the Allagans did it".

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Was that the weird 'fish' description? I took that to be more of an "unfortunate accident involving a Lalafell" than trying to claim the entire race was engineered.

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Yup. Specifically, aetherochemical compound #123.

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Unlike anything else on Eorzea, compound #123 is thought to be another of the Allagan Empire's failed chimeric creations. The creature seems to be harmless enough, feeding only on the tiny water lice which inhabit Azys Lla's aetherochemical pools. Its outer hide, however, has given many a naturalist pause as it bears a texture almost identical to that of a lalafell's skin.

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Yes, it's open to interpretation. To me, it seems to suggest that the compound may actually be a failed interim attempt to create a lalafell. Make of it what you will. ;)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Actually, one of Sophia's demiurges is a Roegadyn - and since they were imprisoned by the Allagans, we know there were Roegadyn at that time.

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It's been a long time, and I went back to check my records and, yes, you're right. The Third Demiurge was, in fact, a roegadyn. No lalafells, though. Hmm...

I can't remember where I know that the Anata were around before the Allagans but it's either from the first lore book or it was mentioned in a lore pannel. It was part of the making of the lamia in that only the lamia are Allagan creations and based off the Anata.

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Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

What stands out to me about the Au Ra creation myth is how different it is compared to the other myth systems in the game. Both the Twelve and the Eastern Kami are portrayed as being of the planet in some way. Either because the Twelve were born of it and then created the world around them or because the Kami are associated with dwelling in things in the world for long periods of time. Azim and Nhaama start out as the Sun and the Moon and are portrayed as starting in the heavens. And even back then they are fighting with each other. Their purpose in coming to the planet is to give birth to proxies that can fight their war for them. Only, it turns out that the proxies of the gods don't keep fighting each other, but make peace instead. This leads to Azim and Nhaama to stop fighting and going back to being the sun and the moon. According to the Oronir they fall in love with each other, but some of the descriptions for the other tribes (particularly the Kagon) makes it sound like other tribes have different endings to that particular myth. And it's like... warring deities who are opposites of each other and fight each other through proxies... where have we heard that story/history before? I'm wondering if the Auri Creation Myth is a bastardization of the story of Hydaelyn and Zodiark and someone gave it a "good ending" over the four thousand years the Xaela have been around. Out of all the myth systems we know of, it's the one that fits the version of events that Hydaelyn told us the best.

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Well keep in mind that even in the Hero of Lights own Time facts of thier exploits are being blown up fantasized and romanticized alongside the actual facts so... four thousand years later the Warrior of Light is going to wind up some egnimatic deity that came down from the heavens and sorted out all the evils of the world at the time alongside the children of the gods (the Scions) before returning to the heavens to rule over them or some such nonsense. We've beaten and curbstomped allagan legends in our time think on that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That's very dubious information at this point - and likely to have originated from the Ascians. Is it the truth, or are they telling him what he wants to hear?

At very least, there will be more to the explanation than what we've been told so far.

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True that. I'm more in favor of the tales of the Dusk Mother and Dawn Father being a re-telling of the Split, like TinyRedLeaf said,

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

There was a fan theory put forward many months ago, about how the creation myth could be linked to dragons from the First Brood.

I don't personally support the theory. I am of the opinion that the creation myth is more likely to be a half-remembered history of the split between Hydaelyn and Zodiark.

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Mixed with some re-tellings and influence from other religions, with maybe some alterations each Rejoining/Calamity. It's also possible that instead of being far removed offspring of dragons, the Au Ra originated from people long ago somehow affected by dragon influence/aether, in a way similar to the Padjal being Hyurs touched by Elementals.

But yeah, we'll probably know more what is true of what the Ascians are lying or not lying about sometime in future content.

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Originally Posted by manamoppet

demi-hyurs

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Better to use the phrase "demi-human" I think. Hyur are just another race, not the "original" race of which the other races are imperfect images. Yes, they happen to resemble real humans, and so it's natural to assume that they are the "normal" type that the other races differ from, but if Varis's ravings hold any water the supposed precursor race could as easily be Lalafell as Hyur, with all the other races being imperfect reflections of them.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Where was that? I didn't know about it, so I'd assumed the Ananta must be implied Allagan constructs like the Ixal.

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It was definitely stated somewhere that the Lamia are the result of Allagan experimentation on the Ananta, so we know that the Ananta were around during the time of the Allagans. It's technically possible that the Ananta, too, were created by the Allagans, but I'd argue that the implication is that they were a natural race that the Allagans toyed with.

I personally feel the same about the lalafish, that they are the result of experimentation on Lalas, not part of the process of engineering them. I acknowledge that there is room for interpretation. :P

My headcanon is that the original race looked like Garleans but they didn't have the third eye and the reduced ability to manipulate aether. Maybe both those traits were the result of Hydaelyn fracturing the source and in the process "scarring" them with the third eye and stripping them of their magic ability while giving rise to all the others races.

It'd also explain why only pureblooded garleans have the eye since some aspect of all the other races must cancel it out. :v If that makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That's very dubious information at this point - and likely to have originated from the Ascians. Is it the truth, or are they telling him what he wants to hear?

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Knowing the Ascians, it may very well be both...