Can we remove Tank Stance?

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Perhaps I just needed to vent. Or maybe I should just suck it up and play tank instead lol. If Gunblade job is a tank I might do it... but I doubt it lol.

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Tanking is a lot easier than it looks. Even using the AOE moves (Flash/Overpower/Unleashed) 2 or 3 times while pulling big is sufficient enough to hold hate, if decently geared. And in boss fights, there are more than enough tools to comfortably tank most fights outside of tank stance after the opener. Personally, I'd actually try tanking on a serious note and do it for a while before assigning blame or suggesting reworks to the job.

If they keep aggro and survive everything thrown at them without needing Cure 2/Benefic 2/Adloquium spam, it's not really an issue...

But if they're constantly dropping aggro and dying, just "kindly remind" them to use their tank stance.

I would like to see tanks have more varied interpretations of tank stance... but I also think that's a very scary task in terms of trying to get the balance and flow right for all the fights (such that one tank doesn't get shunned more than already may happen). That way they don't feel as similar (but of course that increases the chance that there will be a more exaggerated flavor of the month/raid/patch cycle).

For shits and giggles how busted would it be if tanks stance only gated abilities and each stance had the benefits baked into the class itself. Would be funny to see though.

The tanks are fine w/ DPS and Tank stance. The problem is the healer and DPS not using their enmity reduction utilities to make sure they don't steal hate from the tanks. It's all there for people to see. The damage resistance, again the DPS and healers have utilities to reduce dmg for the tanks, but the tanks have to also use their own. A tank can survive in DPS stance throughout the fight....except if they don't use awareness, rampart for example and get hit by a crit, high dmg tank buster.

Looking at it from the duality point of view, all tanks have both, tank and damage stance, equally available after leveling. I agree with people this doesn't need change but if there was any change I might endorse the tank stance becoming the "normal without stance" but giving them damage stance that bridges the gap to their current damage stance. Sort of like DRK is now but swapped. However you'd still have the case of tanks being in damage stance all the time so it wouldn't chance that much.

I hope not, stance dancing is actually fun for some people. I was really sad when they changed Cleric Stance to a useless cool down.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

and dying without the damage resistance.

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How do you do this?


Even in Savage I don't die without tank stance, Reprisal & Rampart are the only 2 things I need on the most tankbusts.
How do you loose enmity in this day & age where you have access to Shirk?
Even in 4-man groups I tank dungeons in DPS stance, I don't die and don't loose enmity.


I guess I must be playing wrong.

Unfortunately nothing can stop bad tanks from being bad. There is a time and place to stance dance as a tank, and being at min ilvl for a dungeon with a dps in 390+ is not one of them unless you really know what you are doing. There's nothing wrong with tank stances, it's just bad under geared tanks thinking they can do what 390+ tanks do.

Nope, we cannot remove it because the fewer in number good tanks that do know how and when to use it outweigh all of bad ones put together. When I get fed up with DF tanks, I just do it meself.