Please Fix Bots!!!! in PVP. It's a Nightmare

SE needs to reduce XP gained from PvPing, or remove it altogether. I mean, is there really a benefit to letting players gain levels from PvP rather than PvE at this point? It's not like you actually need to level up to get stronger in PvP now. Change the rewards for victory to something rewarding that only PvPing can get that isn't too farmable and that should solve the problem. If anything, people that just want to PvP would still go in even without getting a material reward. I mean it is just side content in a game like FF14 after all.

If the PvP population were to drop drastically if bots stopped going in then that means SE needs to step up their game to attract a large PvP community, as there wasn't one to begin with, or there was and they just stopped going in so much.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Tech

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3. Ban the freaking bots.

EDIT: I say that because I'm against any change on the game just because bots like that. For example, for me, the saying "PVP shoudn't give any XP because bots abuse of it" shoudn't be even discussed. If the bots have the power to change the way legit players actually plays, they won the war.

By the same logic, you must take out all PvE because bots use it to level. Take out gathering because bots gather to sell gil. No! 1000 times NO! S-E shoudn't reduce XP or create a new currency because bots are using it. S-E SHOULD BAN THOSE FREAKING BOTS AND MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE CAN LOGIN USING A BOT. I'm sure that there are a security hole behind this that S-E should fix. Is someone is making money out of bots? It's simple: sue them.

Unfortunately, nothing will ever be done until SE stops assuming every piece of evidence can be magically doctored. As ThirdChild highlighted, they refuse to accept screenshots, videos and even live Twitch streams. So what other recourse do we even have? Crafting has a bot issue too, albeit nowhere near to the equivalent degree PvP does. SE just won't do anything.

Dungeon grinding has bots. Lots of em! You can spot players with garbled names out in the field clipping beneath the maps in front of low level dungeons, particularly Qarn.

SE is probably too scared to pull what Bungie did when they put in an algorithm to ban bots; legit players lost their Destiny accounts, and enough of them that it raised a stink with the community.

Well tonight I qued for Rival Wings at 3 PM in the afternoon I waited and waited. Got A nice screenshot of the mins I waited till 11PM. 420 mins waiting and still never once it did come up ready to enter. What a total joke. At this point I almost want to quit seriously SE needs to fix this somehow. Rival wings has become a heaven for XP bots because it's unlimited XP every 20 min. All I wanted was the mount and at 98 wins looks like I will never get it now.

I think that would work. Make the PVP a different point system. I miss pvp in wow for the same reason. PVP had no XP points only tomes for PVP gear.

Since 4.0 people have been erroneously saying that removing XP will kill all interest in PvP.

But fact is, there was a dedicated, competitive, and actually well-mannered and friendly community before 4.0, before XP, and before so many issues that nearly destroyed us. We didn't care about XP, we did all our leveling in leveling content; we legitimately enjoyed PvP, for all the good and bad it had to offer then.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

But fact is, there was a dedicated, competitive, and actually well-mannered and friendly community before 4.0,

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Wasn't there such an excessive amounts of players telling other players to kill themselves among other forms of abusive language in pvp that SE disabled text chat in one of the pvp modes?

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

But fact is, there was a dedicated, competitive, and actually well-mannered and friendly community before 4.0, before XP, and before so many issues that nearly destroyed us. We didn't care about XP, we did all our leveling in leveling content; we legitimately enjoyed PvP, for all the good and bad it had to offer then.

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Damn straight. I did tons of PvP from shortly after I hit lv50 in 2.55 until the very end of HW, with 3.4~3.56 seeing me spend more time in PvP (queues) than in any other form of content. Combined. I did it because I enjoyed PvP - well, not so much Shatter as a game mode you understand, but still - and because both myself and my partner wanted the mounts/titles/glamour items.

I thoroughly despise everything about what PvP is now. I'm going into Rival Wings currently to work on getting the silly gorilla mount, but I won't touch Feast. Won't even consider Frontlines. Wouldn't queue for Seize or even be tempted by 72-man Secure (<3) at this point if they managed to bring them back. I'm beyond caring.

There's ultimately little difference between people that used to throw matches and/or refuse to cooperate for "lose faster 'cause muh Tomestones" and the current botters though, save that the latter are more plentiful. I'm a bit torn on removal of EXP, too. On the one hand I was furious when they announced it and, despite being omni-70 on two characters, have not earned a single point of experience on any job from PvP. On the other hand, the reason "my" PvP is dead is ultimately because of this push to appeal to a broader audience (overly simplified gameplay, yielding EXP), so if that were to now be removed it would maybe feel even worse. Like it was taken out back and shot in the stomach, left to die slowly and painful, for absolutely no reason at all.

Which is still the case, given how hit or miss queue times are. Haven't waited 3+ hours like I did during ARR and HW yet though!

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Originally Posted by Texa

Wasn't there such an excessive amounts of players telling other players to kill themselves among other forms of abusive language in pvp that SE disabled text chat in one of the pvp modes?

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Tempers flared in The Feast, yes. But Frontlines, in my extensive experience, was far more lax.

Ranked modes tend to go that way though. And the removal of chat in Feast is still stupid.

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Wasn't there such an excessive amounts of players telling other players to kill themselves among other forms of abusive language in pvp that SE disabled text chat in one of the pvp modes?

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Aren't there players that abuse shout chat, kick people from dungeons for no reason, kick people just for playing SAM, early pull hunts, early pull bosses, and also do everything you said above in PvE as well? Why then is chat not disabled in PvE?

I can't speak for others, but I and most of the PvPers I know on Aether data center knew how to behave themselves. Sure, there were some bad apples, but no one so extreme. And for anyone who did act nasty, we just stomped them out in a match.