In another Sad but True Monk thread - Riddle of Wind remains Useless

I've been trying to use TK when I have all my buffs and going TK, FoW, Snap, WT, Bootshine, RoW, FoF, Twin, etc

Maybe it would be better to delay 1 GCD so we get a 3GL Bootshine, then dump GL, using wind tackle and a low potency Twin Snakes which isn't such a big deal?

I dunno, honestly PB is almost always up now when needed so I'm just being unnecessarily flashy.

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Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

I dunno, honestly PB is almost always up now when needed so I'm just being unnecessarily flashy.

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That's basically what it feels like with the fist stance swaps to achieve all this.

If they just put the GL stack on Wind Tackle and removed the 2nd charge it'd make more sense. Having GL / refresh GL on the second charge is as clunky and un-intuitive as I feared :/

how do the mnk dps numbers feel like atm on dummues or in pfs / compared to other class in the party etc.?

(keeping up with sam or more??)

I use ROW for my openner though,I’m not doing math so i don’t know if its better or worse for my dps.
To be honest,I’m kinda having fun with this extra buttons to smash including using PB for extra dps.
So far these new changes have benefited me in many ways so I’ll stick with them for the time being until most monks confirm that the old openner is better.

Monk in world first rip sam/casters not rdm the balancing struggle continues another expansion. Cheers!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Mahrze

Kinda curious why the pre patch argument is used here. The potencies nor mechanics were changed, the only thing it does is get a GL stack when using RoW. And a prerequisite for RoW is to: Be in FoW (loses 5% from FoFire) and use wind tackle at half the potency.

And yes I have used it after the patch and, outside of quirky, niche applications (and FoW being a DPS loss) RoW is just an alternative way to regain stacks if you for some odd reason have PB on CD and lost them.

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The pre-patch argument is valid simply because there's a big difference between theorycrafting and actual experiment, even if the paramaters doesn't change much, it is STILL a change, one that theorycrafting alone cannot point out without the actual experimentation. I'm not saying it's proven now or no that the prepatch theory changed, but there are already rough drafts of another openner that increase dps even if its for a bit, SO its not "niche aplications" like you claimed, and like that reddit theory claimed, and my original post was just a trolling because, because I'm REALLY sick of drama queens atitude like OP one in the thread title, but then again, this whole forum is one big bad drama sometimes.

I do the pull with wind tackle still so that I can Tornado Kick under Riddle of Fire and still have Perfect Balance available to immediately regain my stacks. It seems easier than changing to fists afterwards.

RoW isn’t useless and I have described why in another post how it can be utilized and maximized to be able to get higher numbers than pre 4.2 Monk’s opener. I would link it, but phone links from the forum site ain’t reliable and will take you to the front page without seeing the post. If you’d like to see how it’s broken down, please visit the second latest monk thread discussing the opener.

even if ppl think RoW is useless i think it gives lot of freshness to mnk in general. If its in the opener or your general rotation in the fight. Stance dancing between Fists of Fire and Fists of Wind and using Tornado Kick every 30 sec is fun (if u can). Im rly happy just with those changes. Ofc. if they made it in to single oGCD Shoulder Tackle and Wind Tackle that would be ideal.

Either way using Internal Release and Perfect Balance every 1min with Bootshine +every 3min with RoF+BH Forbidden Chakra *orgasm*.