I miss the old PvP.

i thought healing was more fun with the whm pve tool set and pvp skills, in hw and arr

I miss old PvP

Perhaps we should be offering suggestions on how to improve PvP rather than sitting here "Back in my daying" PvP?

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Originally Posted by Yukina_Chan

There's more competition on this game, it's just become anything to help the noobs, this pvp is just crap.
The talent of the big players has been destroyed so that the noobs can do something ...
Instead of going to cry it's too hard learn to play instead of destroying the pvp.

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You speak from my heart.

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Originally Posted by Krolja

Perhaps we should be offering suggestions on how to improve PvP rather than sitting here "Back in my daying" PvP?

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Okay! Bring the old PvP back and just delete the new one. There will be no "improvements" wich will make it feel as thrilling as it once did. (thrilling with a bit of skill that is)

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Originally Posted by Krolja

Perhaps we should be offering suggestions on how to improve PvP rather than sitting here "Back in my daying" PvP?

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Remove the 1 button combo crap. Really? You can't remember to push 2 after 1 and 3 after 2?. Enable all PVE skills with their standard PVE detriments & enhancements. Make stun, sleep, bind and silence resists work just like PVE. Make PVP rank meaningful by providing action points to spend on PVP skills & traits. Keep the armor & weapon system as is so you don't have to have an optimal PVP build and an optimal PVE build. Keep some of the PVP buffs to actions like onslaught stun, holy spirit silence, unmend draw in. Balance damage by modifying the potency of skills & spells in PVP areas. Balance healing by modifying the potency of spells in PVP areas. If they wanted 100% balanced PVP, then there should only be 4 "Jobs" in pvp. Tank, Healer, Mele DPS and Ranged DPS. All tanks would have the same skills, all healers would have the same skills, all Mele same skill and all Ranged same skills. But that would be even more boring. Actually, I just want warrior's vengeance back - stop hitting yourself! stop hitting yourself! stop hitting yourself!

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Originally Posted by Krolja

Perhaps we should be offering suggestions on how to improve PvP rather than sitting here "Back in my daying" PvP?

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Go read "The New Chat Restriction in the Feast" and see where the first rep response is, and what it is.
Go read the feedback threads between Stormblood's start and 4.06a when the PvP balance changes actually happened for season 5. Then look at what changes were actually made.
Read all the feedback people have given about Shatter, then look at the Rival Wings description. . .

We have a very bad history with us and SE listening to our feedback, let alone following through with it.

"Simple" solution, really.

Git gut at coding and modeling, then set up your own indie game with a copy&paste gameplay of the old PvP and a unique coat of paint to prevent copyright issues, then have it approved via Steam Direct (or just release it for free on the net). You can add a cash shop later if it actually has success.

Alternately, run risk of being sued by running a private server with the old build like Nostalrius did with Classic WoW (Which actually had like 800k accounts by the end of it).

I mean, feel free to just keep complaining anyway, but it won't avail you anything. It's nothing but a circlejerk coming together to yell at trees.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

"Simple" solution, really.

Git gut at coding and modeling, then set up your own indie game with a copy&paste gameplay of the old PvP and a unique coat of paint to prevent copyright issues, then have it approved via Steam Direct (or just release it for free on the net). You can add a cash shop later if it actually has success.

Alternately, run risk of being sued by running a private server with the old build like Nostalrius did with Classic WoW (Which actually had like 800k accounts by the end of it).

I mean, feel free to just keep complaining anyway, but it won't avail you anything. It's nothing but a circlejerk coming together to yell at trees.

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How is this any different?

If nothing else, what body of the "old" PvP community that can use the forums is (once again) providing feedback. Were they to stay silent (and unfortunately too many have opted for silence, given how feedback has been handled previously), that could give the impression that things are fine and "everyone" loves the new PvP. They don't. Those who loved it before - as "bad" as it apparently was - are none too pleased with this. Those who otherwise avoided it before, now simply use it as a means to an end, and once those ends are met, are just as likely to drop it. With the old community alienated, and the "new" community pulling a hit and run, how successful could SE really say their PvP is at that point?

And believe me, were I interested in coding and modeling, that'd be a challenge worth taking on. However, mocking people for voicing how they feel about a very controversial change to an aspect of a game they love is hardly helpful, and really just speaks poorly of you. I would think having been around just as long, you might have more to offer than just that.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

However, mocking people for voicing how they feel about a very controversial change to an aspect of a game they love is hardly helpful, and really just speaks poorly of you.

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Oh, I merely offered actual solutions to the issue that can in fact realistically achieve results, because complaining is none, especially not when the only thing you have to say on how to improve the situation is:"Bring the old PvP back and just delete the new one."

As I said, you can miss the old PvP and complain about it all you like. I'm not going to stop you, even if I wanted to I can't, the most I can do is put people on a personal blacklist. It just isn't going to make a difference. It's not like some reasonable request of:"Can we get 1 or 2 more skills in the kit?" or "Could we reduce the emphasis of objectives in future game modes?" or "Please reposition the south base of shatter a little for parity sake." or "Can we get a Frontline rotation?" or even "I'd like to have stats back in PvP". It's literally saying:"I don't like it, it's shit, revert it all!". That isn't debatable, that isn't reasonable, that's just a pissed guy searching confirmation on an internet forum.

Duh. If you feel it's "mocking" people to tell them the obvious fact that this isn't gonna achieve anything and they'll need to find solutions elswhere, so be it.

And if it's just about my phrasing, I'm afraid what people are doing here, especially with posts having no content other than:"YEAH, you're right! True words!" etc, fits the definition of it. I can put it more complicatedly next time so people don't understand it, but it remains what it is.