The reason why PVP gives XP and any such rewards useful (to a degree) in PVE

Worse still, is there is no real way to adjust current PVP in Frontlines modes to go off a proper "participation" system compared to how bots act.

If we want to set it to a certain damage threshold, it ruins any chance players have to earn good exp if they do any sort of scouting or those who camp home bases to discourage those same scouting players. It would also inevitably result in players, likely healers and tanks, losing EXP from just dying too often and spending too much time running from spawn.

Besides, the bots are already programmed to follow players and engage targets. They'd still get EXP.

So, what then? Can only play PVP modes for EXP up to five times a day?

They should just make PvP give a large, but once-a-day EXP bonus similar to the leveling roulette.

Being able to grind classes without actually participating in PvE seemed awkward to me in the first place.

I miss the old pvp , with the gear and skills .
I miss the time when pvp was a separate thing with no links to pve.

But that is just my feelings on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, I've been playing MOBAs for a while and didn't see those issues.

The issues there revolved around:"This game sucks, surrender @20" because people lost their lane, sometimes coupled with standing at the start flinging insults at the jungler >_>

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moba are a different beast. thats typically 2v2 1v1.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

sarcastic or not, a lot of people have been asking for the removal of said rewards, with out fully understanding the context behind them.

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oh, i do understand that they removed PvE content from this patch (Eureka, 2 Dungeons) to bring a new PvP map, and the only way to make sure this map isn't basically dead on arrival is because they bait the people who wanted new PvE content into the PvP, because there are simply not enough people who actually like to play PvP.

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Originally Posted by Tint

oh, i do understand that they removed PvE content from this patch (Eureka, 2 Dungeons) to bring a new PvP map, and the only way to make sure this map isn't basically dead on arrival is because they bait the people who wanted new PvE content into the PvP, because there are simply not enough people who actually like to play PvP.

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By map you mean an entirely new piece of competitive content right? This content has more similarities in playstyle to lords of verminion than feast or frontlines

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

By map you mean an entirely new piece of competitive content right? This content has more similarities in playstyle to lords of verminion than feast or frontlines

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Wait is it going to play like Iron Grip: Warlord or something?

4.0 pvp is shit, exp should stay away from it etc. Better have a small, core and loyal community than having a big, liquid community that needs to be pampered. That's how you make good business

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4.0 pvp is shit, exp should stay away from it etc. Better have a small, core and loyal community than having a big, liquid community that needs to be pampered. That's how you make good business

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lol I love 4.0 PVP and its a lot more balanced than the mess which was pre 4.0 pvp. Having gear and level not matter is common sense for balance, and having a seperate set of pvp abilities is the same. I especially love how pvp isnt plauged by the skill bloat which infests pve at max level.

The XP isn't the issue. The problem is the bots and the lack of any effort from SE to remove them.