Flawless Synthesis + Maker's Mark (bug or not)?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

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Interesting. Perhaps it is really a bug that no one discovered throughout the course of Heavensward!

hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Interesting. Perhaps it is really a bug that no one discovered throughout the course of Heavensward!

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I think its because we didn't think people were stupid enough not to read skills and not understand how they work...

Makers Mark can only be started on FIRST STEP.
Flawless Synthesis is FREE when you have Makers Mark Stacks.
Flawless Synthesis is 90% proc and only increases progress by 40 meaning if it lasts 37 moves then thats realistically a 30/37 proc so thats: 1200 progress... Less than Muscle Memory Gives except it gives + 24 CP from comfort zones.

So once the makers mark counter hits 0 you shouldn't use flawless synthesis anymore instead you should work on getting your progress to the point where its 1 Careful synth II / III away from completion then from there build up the quality.

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Originally Posted by pkminer30

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So once the makers mark counter hits 0 you shouldn't use flawless synthesis anymore instead you should work on getting your progress to the point where its 1 Careful synth II / III away from completion then from there build up the quality.

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This ^, at most the only cp you should be using is for comfort zone right after maker's mark then steady hand and 1 or 2 piece by piece. the rest should be flawless synth until it's used up. Don't even use inner quiet until you are done with flawless synth

1. Cut pizza into slices with pizza cutter
2. Cook pizza in oven for 15 minutes at 425
3. Remove pizza from box and plastic

Why is my pizza burnt, under-cooked, and covered in melted plastic?

DoL had an issue with the initial red scip folklore nodes in HW. "Next collectible action GP cost -200" required full GP cost to use the actions.

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Originally Posted by pkminer30

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

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I was in disbelieve at first too, but I wouldn't dismiss other people's claim prematurely. Have you actually tried to investigate it?
Vidu said she did.
Well, I have too... look:
http://i.imgur.com/O200AqW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ctp1LX6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XaM6Wac.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hMiRsld.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aRXgIMW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nLOsqkR.jpg
Myth busted. Evidence here. IT IS A BUG.
It's not something we'd usually encounter, as this is obviously not utilizing Maker's Mark correctly. Hence, people who actually craft properly never saw this bug. Yet, a bug is a bug. If Maker's Mark is still active, it makes no sense for Flawless Syn to blur out.

Thanks for testing Vidu and Camie. I was going to do this when I get on tonight. You have saved me that effort.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

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LOL, this reminded me of Short Circuit.

Has anyone here submitted a bug report yet? If not I can do it.

EDIT: Made the report and submitted it!

It's not a bug it's how the system is designed. If you go onto a caster class all skills you don't have mp for are greyed. This works on the same principle, flawless synth is a skill that can be used on its own without makers mark that's why it becomes unavailable if you don't have min cp. If it was programmed to be a makers only skill then it would be greyed unless makers was active. I say it should stay that way to force ppl to use it right

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

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The bug is that you need 15 CP to use Flawless Synthesis EVEN IF you have Maker's Mark up, even though it wouldn't consume any CP. It's like if BLM couldn't use Firestarter proc because they don't have enough MP for F3 as if they were to cast it normally.

Mind explaining how that is intended?

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

I say it should stay that way to force ppl to use it right

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It doesn't matter if people use it the right way or not, what matters is that the skills work the way they should work. Hell, we only found out this bug, which may have been present since HW launch, because OP's friend was in a situation that most crafters are rarely in.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

I was in disbelieve at first too, but I wouldn't dismiss other people's claim prematurely.

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Okay I don't understand the changes made to MaMa and FS. Did they raise the MaMa stacks or you've used PbP somewhere?
because I've never hit that much progress using MaMa with so many stacks left.

As Rath explained it (can't remember original source), MaMa is used for picking up Tricks of the Trade procs for additional Precise Touches
-after- MaMa stacks is gone. I think it was misused somewhere.