tank with least buttons for 4 mans

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Originally Posted by TheCount

The actual answer here is DRK by far. Come on guys what are you even trying by saying PLD and War instead? All a DRK has to do is literally just spam Unleash/Abyssal drain with some blood price to get mana back. That's it. At most at really high levels spam abyssal drain with the ocasional quietus worked in there.

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You'd burn out of mana pretty quickly if you only did that as Blood Price gives piddly amounts of mana back. That being said, it is good for blood generation for quietus which does get you mana. Likewise you're going to be needing syphon strike for that mana return so, no not really lol. You'll probably want to use The Blackest Night anyways since it's free defense and a quietus (which depending on the group will give you more mana in return).

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Originally Posted by Kalocin

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You're trying to make the DRk sound more complex than it really is, and anyone who has played them will know its nonsense how simple it is.

Here's your average dungeon: Pull > blood price + unleash/abyssal drain spam and drop a salted earth > when out of mana use your one combo that you'll ever use to get some mana back and continue using AOE on repeat, hope you enjoy pressing a single button for most of the dungeon because that's what you're going to be doing > if 64+ in level throw in an ocasional quietus and continue the spam once that terrible complexity is over with.

That's it. That's literally all there is to it. The majority of that is spamming unleash/abyssal drain and using your one combo to get mana back so you can do it some more.


Here's your single target rotation if you're not absolute max level: Use your one combo path on repeat while dark artsing everything, ocasionally dark artsing carve and spit instead when it gets off the cooldown. Damn. So complex. Bloodspiller ocasionally if you're near max level and actually have it, which I can guarantee you the majority of the dungeons you'll do you won't. In the few instances you'll do an actual level 70 dungeon you will get it ever so slightly more interesting because you have TBN, not that that's some terrible complexity either. Just use it just before some damage is gonna hit you and use the blood you get from it for another bloodspiller. yay.

Dark Knight is dead-simple nowadays and doesn't require many buttons to be pressed at all, specifically in dungeons what the OP was asking. The majority of your time spend will be using your one AOE ability on repeat there. There's a reason why people are so easily able to reach optimal dps levels on Dark Knights, it's because you quite literally can't go wrong. You could smash your face on the keyboard and do well with them.

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Originally Posted by TheCount

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Not at all, I said it was smooth in the sense that it feels easier to run dungeons with them... I actually forgot to include salted earth in there too haha. I actually think they're pretty easy to play but that's not the question, the question was about buttons and it's wrong to say they only use a few... Unless you're just doing the bare minimum of course.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

Warrior. A warrior can hold aggro on any four man dungeon in the game with overpower spam. One button, spaced out to let TP regen.

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PLD has Flash ;)

Don't think anyone saying PLD has actually played a PLD lately. On my PLD i have 36 buttons on my bars of which i use at least 28 for each run and the last 8 being situational.

The correct answer is probably DRK.

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Originally Posted by TheCount

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I suspect that you probably haven't played DRK in a while, but the new Quietus change has created a lot of different interactions with multiple targets present. Quietus generates 0.2 DA worth of MP per hit. This can be then used to fuel TBN, which can generate another Quietus. If TBN is on cooldown, the MP can go towards AD. If you cap, you lose potency, so excess should go into DA DP, and can optionally go into DA AD if you want more sustain. The role of Delirium with multiple targets is a bit unclear. Theoretically, under BW, Quietus can generate enough blood to generate more Quietus if you have enough mobs (perhaps with some help from Salted Earth), but you need a large amount of mobs to do so, and AD doesn't proc BW (this is probably more of a consideration if you're off-tanking in an AoE heavy fight than dungeons). Delirium-BP is an option, in that you generate a minimum of 40 blood over 30 seconds on top of any additional blood that you gain from hits, so it at least pays for itself if you get hit 10 times in the window.

I'm not sure how that matches up to Flash > TE or Overpower > Decimate in terms of difficulty, but everyone struggles with different things, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Thela

Don't think anyone saying PLD has actually played a PLD lately. On my PLD i have 36 buttons on my bars of which i use at least 28 for each run and the last 8 being situational.

The correct answer is probably DRK.

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DRK will run out of mp faster than PLD will run out of TP.

PLD just spams TE / Flash and alternate when their run out of one type of resource. 2 buttons.

WAR will spam OP but needs do to SE combo to maintain buff and potentially do Cyclone. 4-5 buttons.

DRK will spam AD and Unleash but will need to replenish mp with SE and potentially TBN for quietus. You're looking at 5-7 buttons.

So no, the correct answer is PLD.

If you're literally just concerned about buttons, DRK numerically has the least abilities out of all the tanks, @ 25. WAR has 26, and PLD has 28.

Yea I don't know how anyone would think drk is simpler when you have to use combos to get mp back while pld literally spams one button for max near-max dps.

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

If you're literally just concerned about buttons, DRK numerically has the least abilities out of all the tanks, @ 25. WAR has 26, and PLD has 28.

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This is not a good indicator as not all abilities are used equally.