With new Savage raid how much will party composition matter?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Bard is pulling higher numbers than Dragoon and Summoner. I don't understand why people keep bringing it up as weak when it does considerably high damage..

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For a large portion of the players playing bard, their numbers are abysmal, that's why. =_= People don't take me seriously when I say player skill is a thing or why it's incredibly hard to find actual job DPS numbers because of such skill variation in players (and epeening, etc.).

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Bard is pulling higher numbers than Dragoon and Summoner. I don't understand why people keep bringing it up as weak when it does considerably high damage. Coupled with the support options available and it's fairly standard for groups at the moment. That all said, no one job is so bad it would be a complete hindrance to bring. Admittedly, Machinist, Summoner and Dragoon are noticeably inferior to their respective counterparts-- in that order-- but they all can handle Savage. A four team melee comp though would be awful since mechanics would force two of them to disengage.

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Yes but having 2 Bards is never the best option, and let's face it the Bard community has averaged more bad players then good ones that know how to play the job.
I used to main Bard so know it is very capable of damage

Most progression groups I've watch are taking the following raid comps. But...in the end it doesn't matter too much as long as your not doubling up on jobs and players are competent:

DRK (MT) | PLD (OT) | DRG | NIN | RDM | BRD | AST | WHM/SCH

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

For a large portion of the players playing bard, their numbers are abysmal, that's why. =_= People don't take me seriously when I say player skill is a thing or why it's incredibly hard to find actual job DPS numbers because of such skill variation in players (and epeening, etc.).

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Bard pulls in large numbers yes, but considerably so with a Dragoon. Most top parses you see for Bard are because of that. When you don't factor in piercing resistance, they're still below the other casters (maybe they edge out against summoner? I doubt it).

I believe that, unless your static competes for server first, group composition isn't of too much concern. Atm all jobs are viable.
More important is that the players are comfortable with their class and are able to play it on a high level of skill. Example, if your ranged dps is a bad Brd but an exceptional Mch, I'd always take him on Mch, even though Brd might be more favorable for the group.
That being said, I wouldn't do extremes like 4 melee or 3 casters. Also you should avoid double classes for Lb.

#deleteBLM

O4S is basically clearable with any comp, but most groups on my server that I've seen stream have ditched their MCHs, DRGs, and SMNs completely. Good representation of all three tanks and all three healers though - SE seems to have gotten that part somewhat right, at least.

Probably doesn't, considering they made it so you can't enter with two or more of the same job.

We cleared with Smn, Bard, Ninja and Sam
Our tanks were War/Drk
And our heals were AST/WHM

party comp outside server first and world first or any HC group isnt as big of a deal. MAIN THING IS TO NOT HAVE MULTIPLES OF 1 CLASS. Reason behind that is it will penalize ur partys LB. Most groups run 2 melee 1 utility and 1 caster. This allows u to have all the different types of LBs. It also allows u to be seperated to see more of whats going on and not jumble up aoe drops. Having different classes gives u more types of raid utility. A brd or MCH makes things easier with there mp and tp regens but u dont want to have both usually and now that goad and mp transfer are available between classes do not make them must haves. MOST IMPORTANT is to get a group that doesnt rage or quit AND CN MAKE UR SCHEDULED TIMES. Ur guys relationship and dedication to ur times will make or break ur team. U cant have flakes that are always late or might not show up and u cant have a guy that quits in the middle of practice. Its like joining any other team, one person can screw over 7 others