SCH & AST MP management issue suggestions

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Originally Posted by Sodamachine

Hmm, I have yet to have a single MP issue in SB?
Sure, Adlo is more expensive, and fairy heals a bit less, and mana managedment moved around, but I can heal all out and DPS, and I am not even close to mana problems as a SCH.
What do other people do that I dont?
If I spam Adlo and Succer as every other spell, I will probably have mana problem.

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TBH the only time the MP problems really pop up on SCH is when you're doing the raids. Outside of them, it doesn't ever really pop up.

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Originally Posted by Rayna

I feel like I can't DPS as much as I could before because the rate of MP refresh time seems to have been cut in half, and I really hate not being able to DPS as much. Also, using my cards now, I feel like every ewer I pull has to go toward helping me with MP rather than helping me set up other card combos for my parties.

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It will always feel like that at the beginning of an expansion. We are at our lowest capability at the moment.

As item level goes up as the expansion goes further we will get higher piety numbers on gear, but our MP costs will stay the same.

I have no current issues managing MP on AST. As others have said there is many things AST can do to remedy low MP and while some of it is RNG...some of it is just getting used to the tools you have available. (Ewer + Lucid Dreaming + Celestial Opposition; using Collective Unconscious to heal people up since it costs no MP; Earthly Star also no MP; Lady of Crowns no MP; Lightspeed reduces MP cost and can also be Celestial Oppositioned; using Spear to lower your recast of Lucid Dreaming)

Running out of MP is also a situational problem depending on the group you get. If you have a group failing mechanics or tanks not using cooldowns MP management issues is a side effect of other players in your group not playing correctly and not due to AST's MP management being improperly balanced.

As for SCH I haven't leveled it yet so no comment.

SCH has MP issues? Im not understanding it at all. I can DPS/Heal Primal EX and not have any issues on SCH.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Funny how WHM was allowed to have shit MP management to the point it was dependendant on BRD some times and told to git gud and just live with it for four years, but Twelve beware if somebody else has even a tiny little bit of trouble managing theirs...

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God forbid an Astrologian has an issue... all the saltblocks come out and play!

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

@OP what level are you at on AST?

I found that with the MP inflation on spells leveling to 70 that MP management seemed more difficult until you get enough piety for 17-18k MP then it returns to normal.

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

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ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

God forbid an Astrologian has an issue... all the saltblocks come out and play!

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It was ASTs, among others, who told WHM to git gud with MP. It was ASTs who cried and cried and cried until they were overbuffed, even though it was blattantly clear they are already very strong, and continue to cry for more improvements until today despite being so op it's not even funny anymore. It was also ASTs who looked down on WHM telling us we got what we deserved for being objectively better than them in early 3.0 after said overbuffing happened, or rather, even before that point. It was ASTs who told me to switch jobs in 3.x because 'WHM is dead'. So sorry we got enough of your whining for even MORE buffs on a class everyone, even sensible ASTs, agree is disgustingly overbuffed, while STILL being told by many to stfu ourselves. Except that sorry, most definitely NOT sorry.

You're right. We're crying. Look at our numerous posts about how Astros should be buffed. Count them. Please, count them... I want to know how many people are asking for buffs, right now, on Astros. Let's see if you can see the difference between QoL changes and buffs. Even with QoL changes, there's two big ones that we're asking for, neither of which could be described as a buff. I don't think White Mage is dead now, so I certainly am not going to look down on anyone. The whole point I was trying to make -- which you clearly missed -- was that people have concerns and they're voicing them. Perhaps it's just an issue of not using a particular ability at an opportune moment. For people like you to interject and stifle the voices of those people is incredibly rude and pathetic. This idea of "you're OP, you have no room to talk" is a cop-out argument because you're frustrated that you aren't getting what you want.

Yeah they raise mp cost for Aspected Benefic, almost doubled so we cannot spam it like before. Use more Benefic and guaranteed critical benefic II will help you ease the burden a lot.
Now I only use aspected benefic on main tank in most cases, to use them on dps is only happening in life matters situation.