Concise Scholar 4.0 feedback

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Full uptime? Not gonna happen.

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50% uptime, actually, up from it's current 25%. When they put it on a CD, they also reduced it's duration to 15sec.

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Agreed on the first part but not the infinite duration. I dont want the new Savage meta. to be a 3 minute prepull for 3 cooldowns of Aetherflow so the SCH can Excog everyone in the party before a pull.

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Agreed, though it would be simple enough to say that Excog can only be on one person at a time. I've seen another idea I like that if the buff times out, it grants a shield instead of a heal. If they implimented that, I would actually prefer they didn't increast the potency, because that actually makes it a decision of "do I want the safety heal, or do I want to maintain it to get a large shield for an upcoming mechanic?" For example, a planned psudo-critlo Deploy.

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They nerfed Embrace because 2.x and 3.x SCH were pretty strong and could DPS nearly fulltime while relying on fairy for heals in dungeons.

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And that was only a problem because of Cleric Stance. With that removed, WHM/AST can actually DPS through an entire dungeon even better, because Regens effectively have infinite uptime and oGCD heals can just be popped in between DPS spells at no loss.

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They gave us Largesse, a 20% healing potency buff with a shorter recast than Fey Illumination, so in return they nerfed Illumination. Having both at full power is overpowered.

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[insert rant about Healer role skills here]

Alternatively re: Bane, just have it not consume an AF stack, but give it a cooldown (applies to SMN as well).

The damage nerf makes it really not worth the AF stack on either class.

Increase fairy range of everything to maximum. There are so many delays in the pet already that the absurdly short range of everything it does makes basically no sense. At the very least, let it cast Embrace while moving.

Your suggestions, other than reducing the MP cost of Adlo and Succor, aren't addressing the real problems that SCH has. The new skills don't mesh well with the SCH's kit. SCH gets real additional benefit from planning out how to use their kit, in fact, their new Fairy gauge actively encourages against it, wanting you to blow your Aetherflow stacks as fast as possible. In addition, SCH has really weak healing potential, having all of its real options tied to cooldowns and/or Aetherflow.

PS: They don't want the fairy to be the healer, they want SCH to be the healer, that's why Embrace was nerfed. They should have put the 50 potency lost back into Physick yet didn't.

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Originally Posted by inhaledcorn

Your suggestions, other than reducing the MP cost of Adlo and Succor, aren't addressing the real problems that SCH has. The new skills don't mesh well with the SCH's kit. SCH gets real additional benefit from planning out how to use their kit, in fact, their new Fairy gauge actively encourages against it, wanting you to blow your Aetherflow stacks as fast as possible. In addition, SCH has really weak healing potential, having all of its real options tied to cooldowns and/or Aetherflow.

PS: They don't want the fairy to be the healer, they want SCH to be the healer, that's why Embrace was nerfed. They should have put the 50 potency lost back into Physick yet didn't.

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Which is why I liked the idea of letting Excog pop as a shield if it times out. Turn it from "slightly stronger conditional Lustrate" to "saftey net on tank or pre-planned large shield to Deploy"

The Fairy Guide isn't actually what's encouraging blowing all your stacks right away. It incentives using them all within 60 seconds so you can keep Aetherflow on cooldown, but that was usually a good idea anyway. Encouraging blowing all stacks ASAP is what Quickened Aetherflow is doing, and that's actually probably the least of that trait's issues.

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Originally Posted by Scox

Adloquium - Lower the MP cost by at least 10 - 20%
Succor - Lower the MP cost by at least 10 - 20%
Bane - Add the 15% chance for Bio and Miasma's timer to be reset back in and cap the lowering of potency at 40% for the third, forth and all remaining enemies.
*We need an AOE just like the other 2 healers, we had Miasma II, add it back in or give us something else
Shadow Flare - Shorten recast timer to 30 seconds
Excogitation - Increase potency from 650 up to 800, remove the duration timer
Dissipation - Have our Fairy return after dissipation has ended automatically. Increase potency to 30%
Eye for an Eye Trait - Can't remember what it was called, but the trait that shortened the recast timer of eye for an eye from 180 s to 120 s for SCH needs to be added back in, reason being we have an ability that is directly tied into Eye for an eye, no other healers have this ability (Deployment Tactics) Yet they are on separate cool down timers.
Deployment Tactics - Increase Radius to 15 y , As it is now, everyone literally has to stack ontop of one another to have any chance of hitting them.
Chain Strategem - Increase duration to 30 seconds

As for our Fairy's

Embrace - Return potency to 300
Fey Illumination (Eos) - Return potency to 20 %

Sustain - Add back in

This is by no means comprehensive, these changes would bring us back in-line with the other 2 healers and balance the field for all three of the classes. Currently, we are limping around the play ground with the knot we feel in our leg from being hit with the nerf bat.

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I agree with most of these changes! Here is what I would like to see that is a bit different from yours:

Adloquium - Increase potency to 350 (I'm fine with the mp cost at this potency)
Succor - Increase potency to 250 add double crit shielding (same as aldo)

This will give us smaller non crit shields and bigger crit shields then AST. This seems more then fair.

Bane - Set drop off of spell to be the same as Holy and Gravity, I'm fine with just that
Miasma - Keep this in there (Adding this in so people dont get the wrong idea lol. I would like to see SCH's with the two baneable dots we have plus Miasma II)
Miasma II - Bring it back and in line with Areo III, add a cast time if you must
Shadow Flare - Shorten recast timer to 30 seconds (I'm on board with this)

(This seems fair with both WHM and AST since SCHs will still not have a spamable aoe DD)

Excogitation - Increase potency to 700, add shield of same potency if timer falls off. Shield stacks with galvanized but no other Excog shields (i.e. only 1 sch excog shield and galvanized shield up on a player).
Dissipation - Have it not un-summon the pet but use 100% of the current fairy gage. Keep it on the long timer so that it is not abused. (You know, actually make use of the fairy gage more)

Fairy Abilities - I'm fine with where all of the old fairy abilities are at if the other changes are made
Fey Union and Fairy Gage - More educated people can suggest fixes to Fey Union but change the Fairy Gage to go up with fairy ability use. Make it sort of like a fairy limit break type thing.
Sustain - Add back in (I fail to see how adding this back in will do any harm to anyone. If you don't want to use it then don't use it. Just let those who want it to have it)
Quickend Atherflow Trait - Change it to have a 20% chance to return 1 atherflow and 3% mana to the user upon an atherflow ability being used

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Originally Posted by Vilenya

Quickend Atherflow Trait - Change it to have a 20% chance to return 1 atherflow and 3% mana to the user upon an atherflow ability being used

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I like that idea, and I'm going to add the % chance should be moved up to 30-40%. Maybe it's just my bad luck, but quickened atherflow seems to never proc for me.

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Originally Posted by Vilenya

Dissipation - Have it not un-summon the pet but use 100% of the current fairy gage. Keep it on the long timer so that it is not abused. (You know, actually make use of the fairy gage more)

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Nahh, should work like how Deceptus put it in the Consolidated SCH thread.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Eos needs to be the single target fairy and Selene needs to be the AOE healing fairy (much like the MCH turrents). Currently Selene is very underused, as the only buff she really provides is a weaker version of Arrow. When Fey Union is used, Selene should pulse aoe, and Eos can tick single target. Again, must like a promoted MCH turret. The model is already there to be used. SE needs to pull this trigger (pun intended)

Disspiation needs to remove your current fairy and swap to the other one. This would allow for more skillful fairy play.

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Meh, renforcing Selene identity as the global team damage enhancer would be better. SCH don't really need more heal, being the off-healer isn't his problem and it shouldn't aim for easier solo healing by just more numbers. That's how WHM does things, not SCH.

Maybe, making the silence into a 15sec duration/120sec cooldown vulnerability up (5% ? 10% seem a bit high with chain stratagem and fey wind up at the same time) could very well do the trick and make the SCH reliable 2 minute CD burst support. Also dissipation as a skill the switch between fairy seems the better way to rework the skill, but simply swiftcasting another should be impossible in battle if one of them is already out.

For fey union, more than linking it to another player, why not link it to the SCH itself giving it a buff ? It fits the job pretty well, it could make either stronger heals with weaker shield against weaker heals with stronger shields depending on wich fairy is out. It would conflict a bit with emergency tactics but not as bad as how the job is right now. I like this idea because it also give more reliable sustain healing for dungeons that just don't make SCH on WHM du to it still locked behind some kind of ressources (fairy gauge).

But that's just wishfull thinking, there's no way to know if something like that could be implanted into the game.

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Originally Posted by Vyriah

Meh, renforcing Selene identity as the global team damage enhancer would be better. SCH don't really need more heal, being the off-healer isn't his problem and it shouldn't aim for easier solo healing by just more numbers. That's how WHM does things, not SCH.

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Problem is that nobody uses her in Omega or the EXs atm, or at least I haven't seen her. When all that damage is going out, it's far better to have Eos and her healing enhancing capabilities over a shoddy AoE SS increase...and sadly the AoE Esuna doesn't help when these fights have nothing you can get rid of (except for if you get hit by fire in V3 or Doom at the beginning of V4).

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