SAM out classing all other DPS

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Originally Posted by BelraugFire

From what I have seen, they are easy, their rotation is as simple as a tank rotation. every other melee dps has more than one page of rotation, but I see that your mainning a Sam so your are biased.

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Yet you are basing your knowledge of the job "From what I've seen" which gives you 0 credibility to make claims on the jobs difficulty. Their optimal rotation is far more complex than a tank rotation and requires heavy resource management, it's not as clear cut as do this combo and you win. I highly recommend you at least do some more indepth research on how the job plays rather than basing your knowledge off of mere conjecture, it makes you look like a fool.

He doesn't have too much utility, but his damage is way above normal.

SAM is the new WAR

sam is not really out classing many people outside just the brd and mch(mostly the mch). I frankly stop playing mch at this point after suffering thru heavensward as a mch and literally same shit is happening with SB but even worst case, and went from worst dmg class to Sam cause frankly dmg is its own utility it makes kills a lot faster then having a mch slowing down the whole dam fight.

I have done research and every rotation that i have seen out there, sam rotation is no more complicated that a war rotation. But you seem to be missing the point, sam is to over powered. It needs to have a Nerf.

dunno about nerfing stuff before we even get the normal raid. I prefer the other way around and buff other jobs.

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Originally Posted by BelraugFire

I have done research and every rotation that i have seen out there, sam rotation is no more complicated that a war rotation. But you seem to be missing the point, sam is to over powered. It needs to be nurfted.

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It really doesnt. If sss is anything to go by they want sam to do this much damage at the cost that it cant help anyone but themselves.
Blm can go even with Sam and is expected/designed to if,again, sss is anything to go by.

It was done on purpose, other classes just need some minor tweaks but this is currently their idea on classes.

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Originally Posted by BelraugFire

I have done research and every rotation that i have seen out there, sam rotation is no more complicated that a war rotation. But you seem to be missing the point, sam is to over powered. It needs to be nurfted.

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The only one missing the point is you. It's been explained twice now, that their high damage is to make up for its lack of utility. The fact that your drawing a comparison to warrior shows that you have no idea how the job plays, it's rotation has 0 similaries to warrior. If all you're going to do is base your claims about SAM on conjecture don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

See now you are assuming my what my point is, im comparing sam damage to drg or mnk. Mnk has no utility either and had high damage but that didnt keep other classes from keeping up with it. So your argument is flawed there. I can compare Sam rotation to a War because it literally takes 3 rotations on a sam to get your finisher, it takes a war 8 rotations. Guess what that makes it easy. I dont take you serious. you need to calm down and listen, At the very least all other classes should get a potency buff so that they are viable compared to a sam.

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Originally Posted by BelraugFire

At the very least all other classes should get a potency buff so that they are viable compared to a sam.

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Looks like someone doesn't understand balance between DPS and Utility. I'm not going to list Role Actions since they're not exclusive to any one Job.

MNK has Mantra for 20% increased healing and Brotherhood for increased physical damage.

DRG has Piercing resist down, which benefits DRG/BRD/MCH, Battle Litany for group crit rate, and Dragon Sight for minor DPS buff for DRG+another person.

NIN has 10% increased damage on a target every 60 seconds along with party-targeted aggro management tools.

SAM has ZERO group utility that isn't provided by another Job. None. Nothing. That's because their high damage IS the utility! They make up for their Utility deficit by being a DPS powerhouse at the expense of not increasing raid DPS.

If you're not convinced I'll be glad to list the utilities BRD/MCH/SMN/RDM have.

I won't bother touching your comment about SAM being as easy as WAR. It's Apples and Oranges when it comes to comparing DPS and Tank rotations. Just because you read up on rotations and saw them doesn't make them easy to execute right away.

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Originally Posted by BelraugFire

See now you are assuming my what my point is, im comparing sam damage to drg or mnk. Mnk has no utility either and had high damage but that didnt keep other classes from keeping up with it. So your argument is flawed there. I can compare Sam rotation to a War because it literally takes 3 rotations on a sam to get your finisher, it takes a war 8 rotations. Guess what that makes it easy. I dont take you serious. you need to calm down and listen, At the very least all other classes should get a potency buff so that they are viable compared to a sam.

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Thanks for once again, proving my point that you have no idea how samurai plays. Samurai's rotation is a lot more in-depth than doing your 3 rotations and using your finisher. Kenki management? Making sure you have enough to kaiten every Midare and Higanbana?Making sure you're not overlapping sens by doing iajutsus's mid-combo? Optimal useage of Meikyo Shisui and Hagakure? Knowing when and when not to use Shinten and making sure you have kenki for Guren when it comes off cooldown? Sure buddy, "plays just like a warrior". If you are going to continue making claims about "what you've seen" which is nothing but conjecture, then don't be surprised when people who actually have the experience and knowledge of how the job functions call you out for bad information.