Pls stop

I play WAR enough. My first few years on it, I had a Berserk macro and still wouldn't get cleansed. That third year, I removed the macro, and still wouldn't get cleansed, but because people say I didn't have a macro.

Fast forward to today, with a macro, I STILL can't get cleansed. That said, I'm used to the 5 seconds of down time.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

I actually would argue they gave it to the job after changing berserk.
it would, but it would also be absolutely broken on a tank job. especially considering shake it off has a 60 second CD as well. you would effectively have a unconditional 50% damage buff every 60 seconds.

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Sure, but if they had given WAR SiO in Heavensward, they could have simply changed the cooldown to 120s or even 180s, so you can only benefit every other Berserk on your own.

For what it's worth though, at high level play, it was an unconditional 50% damage buff because of The Warden's Paean. You just had to harass your resident bard for it. ;)

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

I play WAR enough. My first few years on it, I had a Berserk macro and still wouldn't get cleansed. That third year, I removed the macro, and still wouldn't get cleansed, but because people say I didn't have a macro.

Fast forward to today, with a macro, I STILL can't get cleansed. That said, I'm used to the 5 seconds of down time.

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Yeah, cleansing pacify is hit or miss depending on the people you end up with in DF and PF.

Personally, I'm glad Berserk pacification is going away forever, along with WARs having to harass people for a cleanse.

Shake if Off is an insult. As it stands right now it's clear the Developers don't know a single thing about their own game and decided to lazily give Warriors a self-esuna because they ran out of ideas. It's not appreciated. It's not needed. Granted it was wanted when Warriors still had Pacify, but if Berserk's tooltip is the final iteration then it's been given to us one expansion too late.

Granted I'll hold of any REAL judgement until next week but if these tooltips stay in for 4.0 I'd be beyond pissed off and disappointed. Shake it Off belongs as a low level marauder skill. It's a decent ability with a niche use. I'd gladly use it. However It does not deserve a high level ability spot. We could've been given something useful and flashy. But instead it just added insult to injury for the current state of Warrior.

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Originally Posted by mcspamm

Sure, but if they had given WAR SiO in Heavensward, they could have simply changed the cooldown to 120s or even 180s, so you can only benefit every other Berserk on your own.

For what it's worth though, at high level play, it was an unconditional 50% damage buff because of The Warden's Paean. You just had to harass your resident bard for it. ;)

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or a healer. that's besides the point. Warrior had to rely on someone else to get that demerit mitigated or removed.


and lets face it, WAR's heavensward kit was perfect already. you'd lose out on one of 5 amazing actions for a self cleanse that was literally there for one buff or when you inevitably screw up.

I like how people assume it's trash without considering new content could mean lots more debuffs and status effects.

6YEARS GETTING PACIFY SINCE 1.0 6YRS!!
they nerf our berserk, remove pacify an give me a self asuna, why you doing that?.
Give berserk it's pacify back an attack
Increase, sheke it off to 120sec.
Is very stupid to get that skill, an berserk pacify remove, makes no sense, since when war cares about status besides pacify?

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Originally Posted by Naelle

I like how people assume it's trash without considering new content could mean lots more debuffs and status effects.

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Very true. Most players are failing to consider what Melee dps can purge Bind/Heavy on others with Crutch and that Casters can remove DoTs with Erase means.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Very true. Most players are failing to consider what Melee dps can purge Bind/Heavy on others with Crutch and that Casters can remove DoTs with Erase means.

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This skill would be fine as low lvl skill. No one would complain if this skill would be a substitute for another skill they took from us.
The examples you just made also don't interest us in the slightest because for things like Bind/Heavy Inner Release got us covered.
As for DoTs while it would help as DPS to have something to shake your dots off as a Tank you hardly need that because you're first priority when it comes to dispell dots...

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Very true. Most players are failing to consider what Melee dps can purge Bind/Heavy on others with Crutch and that Casters can remove DoTs with Erase means.

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Right now, every caster, both ranged and all healers have access to an on demand bind, either directly or via cross class skills. What does that mean for the importance of binds in existing content exactly?

I think it's a fallacy to assume it's going to be useful just because it's there. Chances are, it's gonna become the mandatory gimmick in some raid and then be forgotten in the rest of the content.

I wouldn't underestimate how useful something like a self cleanse can be. You're going to be hitting that sucker practically on cooldown if you PvP. In PvE, yeah, it's going to be a niche use. I just remember how awesome it was being able to cleanse with my MT pally on WoW. Awesome enough they had to take it away. Different game, different skill, different debuffs. But not so different I'd be crying foul here.