Is it just me or are people overreacting to WHM too soon?

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

It's kind of absurd almost how little faith people have in the devs. Like they seem to think they just arbitrarily do this and that to a job, and don't actually use and experiment with it themselves in-game when developing those changes.

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tell this to the players of 2.0 WAR, 3.x PAL, 3.0 AST, and 3.x BRD.

each of those classes gave feedback concerning problems with the way the classes had been designed and how that played out in the context of different dungeons and raids. This feedback was valuable enough that the devs took it under consideration and made major changes to each of those jobs. So why shouldn't I be giving my feedback again?

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Originally Posted by DJMau

People are just much more inclined to hop on to hate trains for the smallest of reasons and most of them have no idea what they're talking about. They just parrot what they hear from somewhere else

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this is untrue

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

It's kind of absurd almost how little faith people have in the devs. Like they seem to think they just arbitrarily do this and that to a job, and don't actually use and experiment with it themselves in-game when developing those changes.

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Whaleeeeeeeeee........ The last time we believed in the devs they gave ranged DPS cast bars so... You're right. I don't have faith in them. Only after the community complained for an extensive amount of time did they even consider removing them. We literally waited a whole expansion.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Their track record on a lot of things doesn't instill much faith. A lot of times it seems they have no clue what they're doing and don't even understand how their own game works.

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And you think the people that populate the forums would know what to do to balance a game? The suggestions they would make would truly destroy any sense of balance that could possibly be achieved

Thing is, pretty much everyone that actually DID get to play 4.0 WHM during the media tour was pretty unanimous on how underwhelming WHM's lily system is.

Speaking as someone that has all 3 healers maxed out, the 4.0 WHM is just full of confused design.

- Their primary mechanic is -entirely- RNG-based. No other job behaves this way. Even worse, it's based on a 20% chance when casting two single target healing spells. Do you realize how low of an activation chance 20% is? Go play Bard, and keep track of how many times Straighter Shot activates throughout the course of a fight. Then consider that Heavy Shot is a Bard's most spammed attack, while you shouldn't be spamming Cure I/II at all unless you want to run out of mana quickly or not contribute anything else in a fight (since chances are you're going to be overhealing - and thus generating immense unnecessary aggro). And if you're spamming Cure I/II that much in an attempt to generate lilies, why should you even cast Regen?

- Their primary mechanic also eats their stacks whenever they use their key skills with no choice in the matter, some of which they can't really afford to delay for too long, like Assize.

- WHM still doesn't have any unique defining support that truly separates them from SCH and AST (if anything, they LOST some uniqueness with the removal of Stoneskin), unless we're counting the fact that WHM didn't really get nerfed in terms of damage inflicted against multiple mobs while almost every other job did. And as it turns out, attacking doesn't do anything for their primary mechanic anyways, not to mention the vast majority of major fights are single target affairs!

And none of the above is even getting into what AST and SCH gained in comparison. Sometimes, you don't have to have played it yourself or even main the job to realize there's something wrong here. For me personally, this WHM situation mirrors what I saw in the previous MMO I played that ultimately resulted in the healer community being permanently decimated, and I have fears that I'm watching the same about to happen in FFXIV. I just hope it doesn't take the FFXIV devs two years to acknowledge that there's even a problem compared to that previous MMO.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

Exactly... WHM needed raid utility abilities. If you read through the multiple threads, the majority are complaining about the lily mechanic and cross class abilities. I agree the job needs some adjustment, however people are blowing the changes out of proportion. The savage raiding community in this game is relatively small, yet our community applies raid preferences to all other content which gets very annoying and is short sighted.

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i do not raid, the problems with the 4.0 WHM job that's been presented to us are present regardless of content

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Originally Posted by Yallaid

tell this to the players of 2.0 WAR, 3.x PAL, 3.0 AST, and 3.x BRD.

each of those classes gave feedback concerning problems with the way the classes had been designed and how that played out in the context of different dungeons and raids. This feedback was valuable enough that the devs took it under consideration and made major changes to each of those jobs. So why shouldn't I be giving my feedback again?

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People should give their feedback. Its just the claims people are making are overblown. I see people stating lilies are useless because they don't use Cure/Cure 2, which is the foundation of all three healers. If you're spamming medica and medica 2, you'd be oom in no time.

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Originally Posted by DJMau

And you think the people that populate the forums would know what to do to balance a game? The suggestions they would make would truly destroy any sense of balance that could possibly be achieved

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this is also untrue. please link me to a suggestion for improving the 4.0 WHM that would destroy any sense of balance that could possibly be achieved

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

People should give their feedback. Its just the claims people are making are overblown. I see people stating lilies are useless because they don't use Cure/Cure 2, which is the foundation of all three healers. If you're spamming medica and medica 2, you'd be oom in no time.

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Medica/MedicaII are not analogous to Cure1/Cure2, Regen is. So you are saying people should use a casted spell when an instant cast hot is enough?

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Originally Posted by Yallaid

i do not raid, the problems with the 4.0 WHM job that's been presented to us are present regardless of content

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Can you elaborate? I see no reason a WHM would have any issue filling their role in all other content.