Because the healing requirement in this game is so low. It's not about what you are doing, it is about making sure that you are always casting something useful. If you are 100% healing then you are overhealing about 75% of the time, which is completely useless to the party. People don't care about a healers DPS numbers (with exception to DPS checks in high end raiding, I.e gordias), but they do care how much time you spend doing useless things like idling and overhealing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazka
IMO, anyone who says "Why do I have to DPS? Is my healing not good enough?" hasn't properly played healer, because they should understand how low the healing requirement is (I'm a noob healer and even back when it was current content, the first boss of antitower could be done on SCH without me pressing any buttons other than dodging mechanics).
Is not dps'ing that rare?
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05-24-2017, 03:47 PMLambdafish
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05-24-2017, 03:50 PMLunaFayeMan why did you have to correct that? I liked the "If you are 100% healing then you are overheating about 75% of the time, which is completely useless to the party." Nearly made me go back to playing healer again lol.Quote:
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05-24-2017, 03:54 PMLambdafishHaha autocorrect at its finestQuote:
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05-24-2017, 05:31 PMLazkathen it will lead to another question, bcause im idling not healing because the party not dying or im not DPS bcause im carefull watching mech and make pre-caution if something happen. is that a bad thing? and if yes is the respon should i get kicked? or get yelled bcause im not used the job at 100%?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
well, if that happen (i get kicked bcause im not used a different "playstyle" with everyone) i guess its time to leave the healer job then?
i do DPS if i can, but if im not doing any DPS is im bad healer? should i get kicked or yelled? i kinda courious what u guys do to me then..
(its happen to my friend in DR mentor just now, someone told her to DPS bcause if not he will doin the heal rather than she) -
05-24-2017, 05:44 PMSebazy
Depends on the situation really.
Given your inexperience, I'd argue no, as long as you're doing a good job of the healing and not causing issues, I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. However, if I was running with you regularly, I would expect some form of improvement over time. Being cautious and studying mechanics is pretty much how I play when I'm learning new savage content, that doesn't fly down the line when it's been on farm for 6 months though.
Do note that the confirmed changes for 4.0 point to it being a lot easier to simply throw out dots whilst still playing it safe though. Please look forward to it, I certainly am <3 -
05-24-2017, 06:30 PMKitfoxYes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazka
No, unless the group is unable to clear the duty because of you, and even then the yelling is unnecessary.Quote:
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05-24-2017, 06:53 PMKDSilverWith the regens system, oGCD instant heal and boost heal, you definitly have some time to - at least - put some dots, that will do dps while you are healing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazka
There's no need to feel like you have to extra spam Broil/malefic/Stone. But at least dots, and especially instant cast dots. It takes only one or two gcd to do and you can drop cleric stance.
This small contribution is always nicely welcome cause it is the easiest and safiest way to provide some dps to your group.
And no one will die during that time especially failing a mecanic that will one shot him anyway.
When we are talking about dps on healer, we're not expecting everyone to do 1000 dps.
If every healer just use dots, the very least, it would be enough to stop yelling at those who "don't want to dps because blabla".
The thing is... in this game : our heals are VERY powerful, so powerful that regen sometimes alone keep our party alive. It makes part of our job to understand how strong our heals are and what to use for each mechanic. -
05-24-2017, 07:39 PMFernosaur
You will eventually learn that there's very little healing requirements in dungeons, and if you do zero DPS, you will find yourself idling or running around with nothing to do for about 70% of the time, or even less. Even more so with Scholar and the fairy auto-healing on her own.
There's just a few dungeons pre lvl 50 that actually require lots of healing (Totorak, Aurum Vale and Stone Vigil come to mind, with some Cutter's Cry thrown in there). These are more about teaching healers how to optimize their healing: Totorak happens after WHM and AST get Esuna, Stone Vigil happens after most of the powerful regens, and Aurum Vale is almost level 50 so you have a lot of tools at your disposal by then save for the last class and job skills.
My advice is: try it out. DPSing, I mean. And let your tank and party know that you're new to it and not 100% confident on it or haven't grasped it quite yet. Depending on the dungeon, the threshold onto which you can let the tank drop may be lower than in others -I've let tanks drop to less than 200 HP in some very low level dungeons before tossing Essential Dignity, which literally fills their HP back to 100% with an instant cast (this is an Astrologian skill). Some newbie tanks are really scared by it, so I always try to reassure them saying I won't let them die. Other times, caster DPS with Physick cross-classed will start to panic heal the tank too, so I have to reassure those as well. Some of the times they listen, some others they don't.
In the end, you're the one that will know what are your comfort limits for DPSing and when is enough to stop and go back to healing the tank, so just mess around with it and see how you like it. SCH in particular is a little bit tricky at first, but give it a try: let your fairy do all the healing through pulls. You'll notice that she's very capable of doing it alone at lower levels. If you see her struggling, have her use Whispering Dawn and try it out again. Eos has really powerful healing tools at her disposal, and she's gonna keep on healing by herself even if you're not ordering her to or if you're healing as well. Familiarize yourself with your fairy's healing capability and then you'll realize why it's so easy to DPS as Scholar.
This also helps a lot, since Scholar is one of the job that gets powerful AoE spells very early in the game. As early as lvl 30, iirc. This way, a SCH spreading their DoTs will make every dungeon run exponentially faster. Specially when you happen to get two melee DPS through duty finder, as most of them don't get their AoEs well into level 45 or so.
However, a lot of this is likely changing come Stormblood, though it definitely looks like healer DPS will be much, much easier to do. -
05-25-2017, 01:07 AMLazkauwah... so scary... im not DPS and im a bad healer, and bcause im not "helping" a DPS job to clear the duty (bcause im a "bad healer" that cant DPS at alltime).Quote:
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so scary... i think im stayin out from random ppl and just playing solo or maybe ask a friend to clear some duty if this opinion is a majority through the all player -
05-25-2017, 01:48 AMTsumdereYou're acting like hitting Essential Dignity and Aspected Helios once a fight is hard and worth 100% contribution.Quote:
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