Summoner cast Bahamut

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

Bahamut will be replacing the current Bahamut Stance. He will only appear once the stance is active. Once the action is over he will be replaced back to Garuda.

"Lots of summoners voiced their complaints that they did not want to turn into bahamut" - Yoshi P.

Resource: FINAL FANTASY XIV Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XXXVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ka3PwPa1JI

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So its going to do the actual Deathflare?

At least I hope so...

Right now I wipe out packs of 6-10 mobs in less than 30 seconds using what we have...

Using Garuda Aerial Blast (Enkindle), Bane DoTs, 2 Painflares and Deathflare...

So... if this pet replaces Deathflare... it better be good.

Deathflare was doing about 6600-10000 per mob (High Crit was 13k /Bard) in a one shot Teraflare style attack... on a pack of 6-12.

So... there you have it... it better be really good... and not just for show.

EDIT: If this is what they did they essentially locked the Job at 50th level while all the others moved to level 70.

I REALLY REALLY hope they are considering doing what they did with Bahamut with Ifrit Titan and Garuda. And maybe for future Ramuh Shiva

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

Bahamut will be replacing the current Bahamut Stance. He will only appear once the stance is active. Once the action is over he will be replaced back to Garuda.

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It doesn't replace anything.

You enter Dreadwyrm Trance once (which still lasts 15 seconds going by the bar - still is ended with by casting Deathflare ). On your Dragon-Bar, the golden Dragon Icon turns Blue.
You enter DWT for the second time (which again lasts 15 seconds). Now the Dragon-Icon starts to glow.
Summon Bahamut becomes available, and lasts for 20 seconds.

Aetherflow + Attunement might also have been changed. There is no duration shown on the Attument stacks on the UI, and the whole bar is "locked" when in DWT.

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Originally Posted by Hustensaft

It doesn't replace anything.

You enter Dreadwyrm Trance once (which still lasts 15 seconds going by the bar - still is ended with by casting Deathflare ). On your Dragon-Bar, the golden Dragon Icon turns Blue.
You enter DWT for the second time (which again lasts 15 seconds). Now the Dragon-Icon starts to glow.
Summon Bahamut becomes available, and lasts for 20 seconds.

Aetherflow + Attunement might also have been changed. There is no duration shown on the Attument stacks on the UI, and the whole bar is "locked" when in DWT.

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That's good to know,

As long as the Deathflare (aka Teraflare) Portion remains and uses the Summoner's Stats then it shouldn't cause too many problems so long as its not based off of Pet Stats.

As it stands Aerial Blast which is our other big signature AoE attack from Garuda, when you Rouse + Spur is supposed to be a 450 potency AoE, but when the pet does it it gets significantly reduced in damage due to the attack using the Pet Stats rather than the Summoner Stats.

Hence while Aerial Blast is actually a really good AoE it doesn't do much more damage than a 300 potency Fester in a per target basis. I estimate that with Rouse and Spur Aerial Blast only does about a 350 potency attack given the comparison to Fester damage.

But the recast on Enkindle (Aerial Blast) is 3 minutes as compared to the 1 minute (due to Aetherflow stacks and its CD) of Dreadwyrm for Teraflare. So there's really no justification for a 3 minute recast timer on Enkindle no matter how you slice it.

EDIT: If they did make the Teraflare (Deathflare) based on Pet stats though, they end up gimping the SMN DPS output. That would be a major mistake.

The other place this can come back on you is the Animation lock time... If they lock you into an animation while the pet is doing Single Target damage in an AoE situation, you just hosed up everything and no one will ever use it.

Man, I feel really bad for the animation department considering these requests.

I suppose I should explain all that...

As a SMN at 60th level... your DPS rotation in an AoE situation is going to look something like this.... (mind you Summoners vary)

Opener and Underlayer
Quick Cast + Shadowflare + Bio + Bio II + Miasma + BANE = About 2000-2500 damage per tick AoE

That's your under layer of the Damage going on that no one can see.

2 Painflares = 2500-3000 AoE damage Each + DoTs (2000-2500 ticking)
1 Rouse/Spur Enkindle (Garuda Aerial Blast) = 5000 damage AoE + DoT (2000-2500 ticking)
1 Deathflare = 6600-10500 AoE + DoT (2000-2500 ticking)

That the current AoE output of the SMN in a Multi-Target situation... Any kind of Animation lock will wreck it and prevent the re-application of DoTs and possible running in and using Miasma II followed by Blizzard 2 spam to finish them off... which does about 650-1000 damage per target when you're spamming it.

That's the Summoner in an AoE situation...

In a Single Target situation... the 60th level SMN in i260-270 is going to put out this....

Ruin 3 = 2500-3000 + Pet 1000-1200 + DoTs 2000-2500 (ticking)
Fester = 5000 + Pet 1000-1200 + Dots 2000-2500 (ticking)

That is a high geared SMN and his DPS output capability at level 60 in i260-270 gear.

I could tell you about the BLM stuff too and its just as nasty, though heavier in Single Target, but lesser in AoE.

So... if the flashy pet animation creates a lock when its used, it will screw up those rotations, and if it can't replace them its going to be a problem.

I'm just too HYPE about it . Bahamut looks GLORIOUS!!!!!!!!

JUST GIVE US THE OTHER EGIS AS BAHAMUT TOO!!

I was gonna switch to bard for 4.0 but that's just gone out of the window

Now... the most important part... and the reason I brought all that up...

In Raids and EX Instances...
....the boss mobs have this nasty tendency to go invulnerable right as you hit you DWT... or in the middle of it.

Because of this... most Summoners forgo the Ruin 3 spam entirely.. and pop Deathflare the instant they suspect they Boss Mob may be hitting that point. (Lose 5 Deathflares in a row in a Raid and you learn really quick.... a lost Deathflare is killer to your overall DPS).

So... hopefully you can cancel the whole thing the minute you use Deathflare. Otherwise you just killed the SMN DPS.

You will almost always cancel DWT when AoEing, as its pointless to spam single target Ruin 3s when you've got 6-12 mobs facing you, and you want to drop the whole pack as fast as possible. Ruin 3 isn't going to cut it, you need something that is going to hit multiple targets. So the Pet will likely never see the light of day in those shoes.

In Single Target Boss Mobs... now the SMN will begin asking themselves the question...

Will 10 more seconds of pet be worth more than my 6000 damage (Ruin 3 + Pet + DoTs) per... or is the Bahamut Pet actually doing 6000 damage per... and worth forgoing the other normal damage.

If not... then the pet will get canceled and no one will ever really see the Bahamut pet come out much at all, as they'll just cancel it early with Deathflare and move on to the normal SMN rotation anyway.

These are all questions we hope the Devs are keeping in mind... otherwise its just a pointless effort and the Bahamut pet will never be seen in the actual game.

Remember we are a DPS class and queues and competes with other magical DPS jobs... DPS is king... over and above all... and looking kewl and imagination isn't going to get you through that hard instance... only what your actual job can do will

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Seeing Bahamut summoned like that made me sooooo happy!

Just from the little we've were shown I wonder if it's going to work a little bit like the Scholar skill that consumes their fairy to buff themselves but instead it would consume our Egi to fuel us summoning a shade of Bahamut.

And since we have a skill to summon a medium sized Bahamut (larger than our Egis but smaller than the actual Bahamut), I wonder if there's plans in the future to do that with the six elemental Primals. I'd love to be able to have a Leviathan Egi out and then supercharge him to do a few big attacks.

As a SMN since 2.0..this pleases me :3 It would be awesome if we get the other egi's how Bahamut is summoned. I really like the direction they are taking Summoner!