What is kickable in df for different playstyles?

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Originally Posted by alimdia

From the GM side I don't think the point is to get justice, but to make the affected person think they will get justice.

Anyone who sent a report will probably feel better after being told "it will be investigated and if a violation is found proper actions will be taken" even if they never know the outcome of that, and making people feel better is good for player retention.

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That's kind of the point I was getting across. Its a feel-good white lie. But dishonest. I don't like dishonesty. Its contrary to integrity.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

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You can't actually start a kick while there's loot in the pool. Facepalmed at the rest of your post, but felt you should know that.

it is up to the GM to decide if a kick was a difference in play style. You can report any vote kick you feel like was abuse, and gm pick if it was or wasn't.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

it is up to the GM to decide if a kick was a difference in play style. You can report any vote kick you feel like was abuse, and gm pick if it was or wasn't.

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You can also not waste a GM's time if you get kicked after being told to play differently when nothing else is being given as a reason for the kick and you have no evidence to support any other reason.

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Originally Posted by Kit-Kat

Like people said, technically anything. If a vote goes through, it means majority aproved and you and/or your playstyle don't match nor belong there, and you would be better off trying a different party. Specially if they ask you to stop doing whatever but you keep doing it like someone in another thread.

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This is why I wish they'd start doing 5 man dungeons. Right now if 2 people disagree with 2 people, whoever starts the kick first wins. If nothing else the person who is being voted against should be counted as a No just as the person who starts the vote is counted as a Yes, so we can move past this silly way of voting.

I just want to start off by saying I have never initiated a kick on anyone nor have I ever been kicked from an instance. Any vote kick I have approved is usually over a player disconnecting and not coming back. I really have to say that these kinds of posts just baffle me. Is kicking people for a difference in "play style" such a huge thing?! People may get angry with me for saying this but if a person finds themselves being kicked a lot then there really might be something wrong with how they are playing and vice versa. Maybe they don't even realize the mistake they are making and unfortunately many are unwilling to explain better tactics. If you find yourself initiating kicks an awful lot maybe take a step back and ask yourself if you are being too picky.

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Originally Posted by LuckiGoLucki

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Not everyone is as lucky as you are, so using your experience as the baseline to judge everyone else's is a bad idea. You are not everyone. I've been put into DF groups with 3 man premades intent on trolling the unlucky person they went in with. I had a healer in Halatali once who had Provoke cross classed and constantly provoked mobs off me and pulled mobs ahead and died on purpose. After 30 minutes of slowly inching toward the last boss, they kicked me and I'm guessing did it without a tank, essentially wasting half an hour of my life.

I've had enough bad experiences like this to change my mind from this being one of the best communities to it being one of the worst I've been a part of. So I'm glad you're luckier than me, but don't discredit other people's opposite experiences.

When I start vote kicks, it's usually for AFKs, offline people who don't come back after 10 minutes or so, and people who are playing terribly when I'm not in the mood for it and I'm convinced my party isn't either.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I've been put into DF groups with 3 man premades intent on trolling the unlucky person they went in with.

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I was in one, it was the Antitower, where we entered, the other three were obviously together chatting from the start. I was smn and the healer said after tank pulled, "I gotta take a sh--, Mica you heal while I'm gone. It's gonna be awhile, I had indian food for dinner" for real this happened.

Obviously I didn't heal, my little smn heals are going to do nothing. I got vote kicked there after some colorful language and emotes from the tank and the other dps. Luckily it was, of course, in the log and I had a nice chat with the GM afterward. I could almost see them shaking their head with their jaw hanging open.

In most cases of a vote kick that I have personally seen for playstyle reasons, it's things like smns who refuse to use dots, brds who don't sing, healers who don't dps and do not even draw their weapon for multiple pulls and in the case of sch set eos and stand idle. Tanks who don't use stances or cooldowns, blms who refuse to use fire or use ice-fire-ice-fire rotations. Things such as that. Usually we talk to them beforehand and try to nicely give them tips, but if they get an attitude or use the "it's my sub" argument. Boot.

theoretical anything that doesn't agree with your opinion/thoughts/mindset is or can be seen as different play style. Someone wearing lets say blue glamour and you're hating that color (assuming you're not colorblind) could "offend" you and your play style. The question is just how far do you want to go with that? Some things just in real life do need some level of tolerance and acceptance. You can't just remove people because you wanted to play the game solo in first place. So it's a "hot" and difficult topic to discuss, because what might not "offend" you or is against your play style might be totally different for other people and their perspectives. Any kick you're issuing can be "reasoned" with when asked. That still doesn't give you a free card but it's damn close quite frankly and it's sad to see, that nowadays, people always find one or more reasons, to remove players from the party for something we would have seen as no big deal a couple years ago.

Different playstyles are merely "I don't like it for whatever reasons".