Need help between war and pld

PLD is great if you're a sucker for support elements and don't mind a less diverse and engaging range of play. DRK is wonderful fun too and while I loved level 50 Warrior, I have yet to play him at 60 enough to feel comfortable with it, though keep in mind that Expert roulettes are pretty much the extent of difficulty I expose myself to.

*still needs to learn how to mass-pull with Warrior without suffering a panic attack*

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

I main all three tanks:

PLD:
My go-to tank when I'm learning new content. I also prefer it during some Raids.

DRK:
My bread & butter for dungeons, as well as for that 1/20 times where I don't feel like being MT.

WAR:
My least played, but I'll hop on her when I want to have fun as MT and OT.

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If you're not MT as DRK your doing it wrong. DRK gets MP from taking damage (blood price), more MP = more DA + Souleater & DA + Carve and Spit. They also proc reprisal and low blow timer reset only when parrying an attack. Even if you're paired with a PLD you should be MT as PLD's proc for shield swipe isn't near as good as DRK's reprisal & low blow and they can stay in sword oath most of the fight (only problem with them is their damage combo includes an enmity generation skill and you'll have to power slash more)

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Originally Posted by SarenyiaSarenyia

So I got Drk up to 60 and I want to level a new tank. However I really like paladin and marauder. I believe paladin is at 32 and marauder is at 27, what do you main and why?

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I play 3 tanks equally and ... will suggest pick PLD first if you will levelling the rest as you won't want to go back to PLD... ^^;

As everyone say all tanks can tank same good, the shield only make you look better but not tank better.
And very often in daily experts, when you have some super DPSers, each Flash sounds like laughing at your lack of dps and helpless.

ATM PLD is really less fun than WAR and DRK. Only fun when your need to carry the healer.

The only thing I've found PLD useful in is 24 man raids to help horrible healers stay alive because they can't do mechanics. The only reason this works is because damage should be that much of a issue. But that benefit is so small and niche it's not really that strong of a point. So....WAR.

TLDR; PLD = Mostly dead atm. Go War.

Since you seem to enjoy the tanking class, I suggest to level up all and then check what's the most fun for you on Level 60. Order doesn't truly matter.
By the way, don't get the wrong impression - just because a bunch of people are talking poorly about the PLD right now, does not mean this class is not worth to level up. (By the way, this class gets a buff with Stormblood.)
I am a former WAR-Main who had to switch to PLD/DRK-Main a few months ago due to me switching from OT to MT. While my heart is still beating for WAR and I simply love to play this class, I cannot say anything bad about PLD/DRK.
People who say PLD is trash don't know how to properly utilize such a simple class, as easy as that. I tank anything in Sword Oath by the way, if I play PLD, including during low levels such from 30-50+. And in 24man-raids this class can be gold, if no healer wants to heal you AGAIN as MT, not even these from your own alliance. ( Unfortunately I see this way too often. )


I think the players replying to this topic before me pretty much already said it; WAR does by far the most damage right now, with DRK behind it and PLD last. However, PLD is also the easiest to play and DRK can be a bit annoying if you're doing it right.
PLD/DRK are MTs, WAR is OT. You should also take this under consideration when later choosing a main class.
But personally I also enjoy WAR the most - you can easily make up for at least one...not so good DD and can feast on the tears of your opponents. Really great feeling. Once you tasted the sweet smell of a Fellcleave-crit you don't want to miss it ever again.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

PLD mains never cease to amaze me with how delusional they are. Contrary to popular belief, anything a PLD can tank, so can a WAR.

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This is interesting to me, since the first comment that even mentions anything between Warriors and Paladins are comments that warriors cannot do. You do not have cover, you do not have tempered will, and as far as I can tell Zurvan Ex is the one fight that Warriors aren't being brought along in anyways.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

This is interesting to me, since the first comment that even mentions anything between Warriors and Paladins are comments that warriors cannot do. You do not have cover, you do not have tempered will, and as far as I can tell Zurvan Ex is the one fight that Warriors aren't being brought along in anyways.

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outside of pvp, cover is extremely situational and borderline useless and the warriors equivalent to tempered will is holmgang minus the ability to cure bind and heavy - again very situational unless you're pulling trash or something and you get bound or heavied which i don't think is even a big deal or in pvp as an extra purify i guess (i can't really think of a situation in a raid where this is relevant).

As for zurvan as you said, it's one fight and the only reason why warriors aren't being brought along is because of holmgang lasting 6 seconds which isn't long enough to cheese that particular mechanic comfortably. However paladin got pushed out of an entire tier of raiding because it is a by far inferior DRK and still is even in creator.

Think its best to just play all three , thats what I do its really fun just to switch each up and keep things fresh

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Originally Posted by Rivaille

People who say PLD is trash don't know how to properly utilize such a simple class, as easy as that.

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knowing how to utilize a class =/= said class isn't trash, because it is.

Paladin got left out of the entirety of gordias (and speedruns in general) for a reason which was it has far inferior magical mitigation in comparison to DRK. No matter how well you can play the class, it will always be inferior to DRK simply because it does less DPS and cannot mitigate anywhere near as close making it tough on the healers.

Even in A12S. Yes, you could complete it with a paladin but why take a paladin when DRK can mitigate magical damage better making it easier on healers and on top of that bring better dps (assuming the skill of the drk and pld are equal)? You're willfully gimping yourself.

I enjoy playing paladin a lot as i enjoy tanking in general, but i hate that paladin is at an obvious disadvantage compared to the other two (WHM and to a lesser extent monk too in their roles), so much that the get left out of speedruns and even back in gordias days - an entire tier. Whatever the buff is that paladin is going to get, they need it.

PLD-Great for taking less damage. Great for supporting the team esp in 4 man dungeons with less than perfect randoms. Utility in being able to take a ton of damage and not feel a thing. Really good when running with poor/new healers. Damage is completely awful, but that's not why paladins tank. We all know we run around with a pool noodle. In my experience, best aggro hold.
WAR-Fun for just beating faces in. Great for big pulls and damage dealt. Bad when it comes to poor/new healers and OP DPS (I understand people have other opinions on this) but overall helps kill all the things faster which helps mitigate its issues. Fantastic health recovery. Tends to be a tad squishy, health regen only lasts so long, pray the healer is good. More positional with its Overpower aggro ability, but can equip flash so that helps even it out.

In the end, play both, enjoy both, see what you like to play the most! :3 That's what the game is about in the end, having fun and beating face!