So you want to master Bard? 3.5

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Originally Posted by chrissun

Now, as I said at the very beginning, this guide is dedicated for bards to reach that extra mile. Was it worth it to weave like this or not? After doing the calculation myself, most probably not. But this is just something that I came up with a few weeks ago and want to see some reaction from the bard community themselves.

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Your title suggests this is definitely a 100% fool proof way to master Bard! But now you reveal its just a theory you came up with which might not actually work in practice...

You could say it's a guide for bards that want to reach an extra mile... but not necessarily in the right direction! ;)

Anyway, one problem with this idea is that Empyreal Arrow's cooldown gets shorter the more Skill Speed you have. You could go for a 'no skillspeed' build, but then I think you'd struggle to get your opener out; its typically recommended that you have at least 700 to do this optimally. This brings your Emp Arrow cooldown to ~14 seconds, and it would no longer line up with your Iron Jaws usage as you suggest.

Also, its typically a DPS gain to refresh your dots early when you are popping cooldowns, and again just before they drop off; another reason you would struggle to keep EA and IJ usage in synch.

The first step to mastering Bard:

USE YOUR SONGS.

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Originally Posted by chrissun

The risk of failure is exactly why lots of bard just keep Minuet on all the time. That is why I try to start a discussion and to test whether it is worth it or not to weave Minuet.

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This is just wrong... u don't play Brd that long do u? Stance dance was a common playground when HW dropped and Brds became "caster-melees" – but actually there are reasons why people stopped even trying it... and i don't meant the fear of "risk & fail"...

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

No. This is definitely not how you master bard. This isn't even how your play it to an acceptable level.

I strongly advise that no one follows this.

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I fully agree. I was confused as to why OP thought this was a good post. It makes no sense. I may not be the best bard out there but the post is just WRONG.

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Originally Posted by chrissun

And why is it not acceptable? Can you give me insights rather than just dismissing it completely?

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Your post of "mastery" is ridiculous. The fact that you took the time to post all that mambo jambo is bad. Please ask for help if that is what you are looking for don't post a "mastery" guide then beg for help.

Well lets no go overboard with the criticism here! I think it was an interesting read, and its good when people try to work out new ways to improve DPS.

I just think a more appropriate title could've been used. It should have been presented as a theory, rather than the true path to Bard mastery!

No. Just no.

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Originally Posted by chrissun

PS : This guide assumes that you already know the Bard job adequately and caters to Bards who wants to reach that extra miles.

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Before you get inundated with criticism. I want to applaud you for actually having the courage to delve in to this sort of thing. New ideas are the lifeblood of progress. Some of your concepts, while not entirely baked, are worth investigating even if individual parts are not well thought out like the macro for Empyreal arrow.

@everyone else
at least attempt to disprove what he is saying with stuff that sorta resembles math and science before calling him a scrub lol.

hmm i guess no-one called him a scrub he simple throw out a theory (as "how to master"... but don't mind that) which already have been tested by a couple of Brds right after the release of HW – which proved to be ineffective in the end. personally i just think people make fun of it cause he titled it just wrong...

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Originally Posted by Neela

hmm i guess no-one called him a scrub he simple throw out a theory (as "how to master"... but don't mind that) which already have been tested by a couple of Brds right after the release of HW – which proved to be ineffective in the end. personally i just think people make fun of it cause he titled it just wrong...

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One small change though, which doesn't affect the general math but increases the number of corner cases - you no longer need to be facing the enemy to shoot it with AAs.

This means that, for instance, something like toggling WM while running to outer-edge Optical Sights, is at least plausible (I wouldn't necessarily say optimal) when it would previously been tricky at best to maintain the necessary facing direction while relocating. I think you'd need to be hard-locked into requiring 2+ Feints to consider it though.