[SUGGESTION] Add some end-game content

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Originally Posted by Riardon

We need more combat endgame of different type. Raiding might be good but for some people there is no time to form a static party. Many of us play at some hours others do not. Other people just don't like to the procedure to find a good 8 man party. We could use some diversity on combat endgame by introducing more 4-man party challenging content and solo content. Also raiding in 3.0 kinda failed in comparison with Coil in 2.X. No significant and compelling rewards and no exclusive story kinda killed it. The endgame is kinda flat and not enduring. I just want to see if 4.0 will do something about it. We could use some more variety and horizontal progression.

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Horizontal progression is just an illusion of choice The whole static mentality is a community issue and nothing to do with the design of the game itself. All you get with horizontal progression all you'll see is the raid gear all of it being BiS for all classes and the set below it that is slightly worse which every one will choose and the other 3 or 4 sets that are trash and people will only do the content it comes from if they like how it looks.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

You mean "things to do as a substitute for (non-existent) endgame", besides Raids which I believe I've covered (both normal - token-based - and savage).

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Ok I understand that by ''end-game'' you mean more battle content that are outside of MSQ.

Could you give an example of what else could be added beside raid as a battle content?

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Originally Posted by Yeol

Could you give an example of what else could be added beside raid as a battle content?

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Diadem could be... you know, relevant? (they might be doing this, but they might also fail. again.)

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Originally Posted by Nalfein

I'd like to see more contents as well that keep me entertained until the next patch. Right now i don't have anything to do much since i don't do PvP or Savage, i don't consider crafting, gathering and leveling end game but just general content. I might try out Raiding later if i can gather enough people in my shell but until then any activity that i can tackle is more than welcome.

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The next patch is tomorrow.....

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Originally Posted by Yeol

Ok I understand that by ''end-game'' you mean more battle content that are outside of MSQ.

Could you give an example of what else could be added beside raid as a battle content?

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Extra hard dungeons for 8 players, multiple bosses, oh, wait... ;)

I am currently spending time doing the Postmoogle quests from the 2.x updates (otherwise at "midcore par" if you will, if that means pugging a10s weekly), and those post moogle stories are far more interesting and fulfilling and rewarding and substantial than a lot of the battle content. Equivalents would make great end-game content. I would hope we could get more sidequests like that, though I do see there are a bunch of Scholasticate quests coming in 3.5. Battles or challenges or glamour gear in them would be nice though, but not necessary.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Diadem could be... you know, relevant? (they might be doing this, but they might also fail. again.)

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In fairness, it was "relevant"! For a while. Like everything else. But if it's not in a roulette, it quickly falls to the wayside.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

In fairness, it was "relevant"! For a while. Like everything else. But if it's not in a roulette, it quickly falls to the wayside.

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Maybe this is what players should be asking for, rather than "new" content per se? I know nobody WANTS to stay stuck in an endless loop of the same crap they've been doing for years, but I don't think anyone can deny that some really nice set pieces in this game have been one-patch wonders, so to speak, and that they're woefully under-utilized ATM. Nothing ever really seems to be expanded upon, it just comes out as-is and if it's not popular, it either gets shoved into a roulette/relic chain to "incentivize" it or it just plain gets ignored.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

In fairness, it was "relevant"! For a while. Like everything else. But if it's not in a roulette, it quickly falls to the wayside.

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I'm assuming by your post that you mean gear = relevance. By that logic, then, all they needed to do to keep it relevant is raise the ilvl of the rewards. Boom, done. Relevant.

That would have been better than what we got.

But what I'm saying is that Diadem is something that should have gotten regular updates. I saw Diadem as a foundation for a new type of content. Instead it's just... nothing. You kill mobs to get gear. There's no progress here. No challenge. Nothing to clear.

We're finally getting an update, but it's been over a year already.

Compare to something like Palace of the Dead. It's self-contained. Even if it gives no gear rewards, it will always be relevant.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

I mean, what's wrong with raids as endgame? It works in most MMO's, including this one.

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PVP as well, so glad PVP is getting some love. Would love some standard PVP scenarios though, PVP is fun in this game so would like more variety.
Would be good if the older PVP modes had updated tomestones for completion though. The whole reason people do not run the older modes is because they have less tomes for cap ><, also not counting the lack of abilities XD.