[SUGGESTION] Add some end-game content

[Cordie]

For all Heavensward there has been a marked neglect of endgame content, in all patches. The only things that would come close would be the savage raids (where, obviously, all of the dev team's effort went -and that's really great for maybe 10% of the playerbase (and that's a wildly exaggerated guess **) who did them in their release patch) and a "casual" grind for tomestone & token equipment (which, interestingly, even casual players are able to complete in less than 2-3 weeks by skipping to the next even-numbered patch -this easily translates to skipping 4-5 months of subscription, for those interested in the "business" perspective). Besides these, there's the extreme trials and the relic, whose rewards have always been rendered obsolete on release, seemingly by design.
So, how about adding some endgame content?

** I find it most interesting that we never get even the most basic statistics, like how many characters did the savage raids in their release patch and the total number of characters in Heavensward for that patch. I guess it makes for good advertising hiding the fact that so few people care to do the content you pour your development team's efforts in; and, perhaps, a good display of self-delusion.

[Yeol]

Things to do at end-game:
1 - Gather/Craft.
2 - PvP.
3 - Raid.
4 - Leveling other jobs.
5 - Minion collecting.
Anything that of interest to a player could be considered end game.

Gathering and crafting make Gils.
Raid is to gear your main/sub jobs. Then maybe sell content/mounts to other players.

Some players farm old content for glamour purpose. Wasn't there anything you've always wanted to get? After finishing MSQ you are free to farm it.

There is also PotD. If you want to level other jobs.

[Moomba33]

Back at 2.0 launch the tome gear and relic were equal in ilevel to the raid gear (i90). This led to complaints that there was no motivation to raid. In response SE bumped the raid weapon up to i95 and future sets of tome gear have required an upgrade item from the raids themselves in order to match their ilevel during progression patches.
Since then we've rarely had other sources of max ilevel stuff. The first set of Ex primals gave i90 accessories in back 2.1 and the Diadem gave the possibility of i210 stuff in 3.1 although these were both catch-up patches as opposed to progression.

Personally I would love to see max ilevel stuff coming from lots of activities. Add a PVP set, let people grind out max weapons and armour with PotD, let the improved Diadem drop high level stuff, let the relic weapon match the raid weapon earlier, ect.
However it seems like SE doesn't want to devalue raids during a progression patch so we're unlikely to see things outside of catchup ones.
(Alternatively they could try adding content equal in difficulty to raiding to drop equivalent ilevel stuff during progression. I've seen calls for difficult small group content so there is certainly an audience. )

[Astyrah]

Personally I would love to see max ilevel stuff coming from lots of activities.

can't say i will disagree but i think the compromise for these to work is that the savage raid should always give the best-in-slot stuff while the non-raid sourced (alternative to raiding endgame) max ilvl gear would be somewhat lacklustre in comparison

also they could give out titles for clearing savage again (like SCOB savage)

[Ramath]

Back at 2.0 launch the tome gear and relic were equal in ilevel to the raid gear (i90). This led to complaints that there was no motivation to raid. In response SE bumped the raid weapon up to i95 and future sets of tome gear have required an upgrade item from the raids themselves in order to match their ilevel during progression patches.

And all because elitist raiders seem to think they have priority on Dev Team attention and focus. "No motivation to raid"? Really? What ever happened to playing hard content for the fun and challenge? No, it had nothing to do with the content or gear. It was simply about the fact that these elitists suddenly lacked their precious exclusivity to make them feel unique and "hard core."

The exact same logic could be applied to any other form of content. Why level crafting jobs when the only worthwhile gear is found as loot drops? Why run PvP cotnent if I can just run Coil/Alex for my top gear? Why have challenging solo/small-group content when I can just sit in Party Finder? And yet, I don't see any overhauls for these other forms of gameplay...

It would be nice to have varied methods, both for gearing and playing. I fail to see why we shouldn't have 93248753948752394578234957823495843 different ways to gear up. It would help with leveling secondary and tertiary jobs. It would help give some diversity to the available gameplay options. We would have very little to lose. Aside, of coarse, from keeping our elite and "hard core" exclusive bragging rights...

[Tatiana]

It would be nice to have varied methods, both for gearing and playing. I fail to see why we shouldn't have 93248753948752394578234957823495843 different ways to gear up. It would help with leveling secondary and tertiary jobs. It would help give some diversity to the available gameplay options. We would have very little to lose. Aside, of coarse, from keeping our elite and "hard core" exclusive bragging rights...

It's one of those things that as we get on in life, the concept of raiding becomes a less accessible and attractive option. While there are a great many FC's that are immensely helpful and welcoming in this area of the game, I don't really have the time to dedicate to hardcore content that I did when I was in HS . Most MMO's provide alternate routes to gearing up with comparable gear, and incentivize raiding in other ways in addition to gear. Hopefully they take alternative approaches into consideration at some point.

[Cordie]

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You mean "things to do as a substitute for (non-existent) endgame", besides Raids which I believe I've covered (both normal - token-based - and savage).

[Yeol]

You mean "things to do as a substitute for (non-existent) endgame", besides Raids which I believe I've covered (both normal - token-based - and savage).

Ok I understand that by ''end-game'' you mean more battle content that are outside of MSQ.

Could you give an example of what else could be added beside raid as a battle content?

[MomomiMomi]

Could you give an example of what else could be added beside raid as a battle content?

Diadem could be... you know, relevant? (they might be doing this, but they might also fail. again.)

[Zojha]

Diadem could be... you know, relevant? (they might be doing this, but they might also fail. again.)

In fairness, it was "relevant"! For a while. Like everything else. But if it's not in a roulette, it quickly falls to the wayside.