Putting too much acc on a relic should be avoided if you play any of the other healers, because you will have a huge discrepancy when you play the other classes. If you have some on the relic it should only be enough so you can still hit 592 on the other classes with accuracy food. That means melding the majority of it on your gear, if you have to make changes to the relic you can with crystal sands. Ultimately you should be planning your acc around the bis 275 weapon if you raid, and that's just two heavens' eye V.
Possibly raiding on SCH now...
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12-16-2016, 07:56 PMChiiSoSeriouz
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12-16-2016, 08:18 PMAmeliaVervesIs it usual to swap classes during raid progress? I mean, I never planned playing something else but SCH in raids, because that is my main. And if you play different content than Alex savage the Acc doesn't matter at all, so no problem with other classes in there. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by ChiiSoSeriouz
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12-16-2016, 08:43 PMChiiSoSeriouz
As i said, if you play other healer classes it's not advised. It can be typical for healers to switch whm or ast depending on the fight, and there is other content like ex primals where acc matters. If you only main sch then why do you have all that spell speed melded and also some det melds? Your're allocating points where they shouldn't be.
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12-16-2016, 08:51 PMAmeliaVervesI hate to repeat myself.... but obviously you haven't read what I said before... so I am going to quote myself here...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiiSoSeriouz
There you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves
Furtheremore my BiS is (obviously...) not finished yet, so I made the best (for myself only) out of the pieces I have and the stats I can get out of there. -
12-17-2016, 12:53 AMGhishlain
Just throwing my two cents in here but based on the opening post you have a good idea in what direction to go and you'll have some more feed back from the other comments to reinforce one decision or another.
Melding is a personal preference and in the grand scheme of things I don't feel it's as important for healer's as it is for Tanks and DPS. Not to say use crap melds as there are some general guidelines that are good (as outlined earlier by others) and you should pick the ones you like.
My own thoughts and opinions on potential selections:
Accuracy is the bread and butter of healer DPS in EX Primal / savage tier content. The magic number to achieve is 592 for the current raid tier. 100% accuracy allows for maximum efficiency for your DPS spells though a miss in the healer kit isn't as detrimental to your DPS as it would be for a DPS / Tank missing their combo attacks and thus having to restart their combo chain. In order to achieve 592 you'll need to meld everything with Accuracy T5s and still eat food. While 592 is highly recommended I don't feel is an absolute necessity for SCH since you have 3 DoTs that require no accuracy to land. If you're passing the DPS responsibility to and from yourself and your co-healer it'll mean you'll get slightly less mileage out of accuracy versus being the "defacto off healer". If you don't cap you WILL get irked at the misses when they do occur but it's not the end of the world either.
Piety assist with the SCH longevity. Sir Rwar I believe has a rule of thumb of getting enough piety for 13.5K (correct me I'm wrong please) and I tend to agree with this number. It feels like a nice round number to work with though you can definitely work with less - especially when you consider the SCH kit revolves less around MP and more around Aetherflow. Higher MP also means able to maintain DPS for longer and of course the MP restored from Aetherflow works directly with your maximum MP.
Vitality is important to progression raiding. You'll want enough HP to survive mechanical derps because a healer with 500 HP remaining is infinitely better than a dead healer. I'm actually not sure what a good amount of HP is and the amount of VIT you'll need to meld in accessories is dependent on the ilvl of your left side gear too. You'll probably want to start swapping out VIT melds for other melds once you start to get comfortable / have higher HP due to ilvl.
Critical Hit Rate is the go to secondary for SCH. It provides both a benefit to healing and a benefit to your DPS and generally is considered the most bang for your buck in overall effectiveness. I personally am a huge crit fan and have been running crit on all my healers since 2.0 so please be advised that my opinion on Crit is definitely biased as well :)
Spell Speed has recently been theorized to be the highest DPS increasing stat for SCH. This stems from the fact that more than 50% of the SCH DPS kit revolves around DoTs so it's easy to double dip in both the cast time for more broil and higher DoT potencies. Take into account that this stat is assumed a 100% uptime in DPS with ZERO healing so take with a grain of salt. Spell Speed as a whole offers extremely little to zero benefit to your healing kit as a SCH.
Your materia selection will also depend if you want to try to gear each healer equally. SpS has a bit more benefit to Diurnal AST and WHM due to the number of HoTs they have in their kit and Piety provides more longevity for WHM if you choose to go that route too. Pick what you feel is suitable best for yourself and your group and happy raiding~!
[EDIT] In terms of actual tips for raiding, it goes without saying but understanding the fight allows you to optimize your toolkit. You want to co-operate with your healer to maximize your CD usages for both because that'll allow both of you to maximize your DPS uptime. For more SCH specific tips, look when it would be a good time to use Deployment Tactics and Fairy CDs and coordinate that information with your co-healer so they'll know when they need to heal harder, put out a minor heal, or just not heal at all.
Having not healed very much of the latest raid tier (Yay for being a DPS! *Coughs*), my fight specific thoughts would be saving Deployment Tactics in A9S for the time when Faust comes down and deploy it after Scrapline goes out. That way you'll have deployed Adlo for Acid Rain into Panzershrecht (or however Full Metal Faust's AoE is spelt). There's not a lot of AoE damage going in A9S so deployment time is limited but work with your healer to see when Roused Whispering Dawn is enough to fix party health.
A10S starts with two fairly significant raid buster hits (spread and stack) so you can get away with a deployed adlo in the beginning when everyone is stacked. Otherwise, without looking into my logs deeper, I'm not sure what to advise ^^; Sorry~ -
12-17-2016, 03:58 AMtechnole
Chii has it right though, so if you ever want to play another healer you should ultimately have ACC on left side gear and go in with the thought you can max two ACC V melds on a weapon. I removed most of the ACC on the anima down to just over equal to 3 melds at the time to have more SpS in-addition to the max Crit.
As for VIT requirements, I like to recommend getting to 21k HP for healers in A11S-A12S.
It is for every job this tier except Dark Knight.Quote:
Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves
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12-18-2016, 04:25 AMAmaretAnd Scholar :V. you don't need det/pie...Quote:
Originally Posted by technole
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12-18-2016, 05:45 AMtechnoleLets tell the entire story though. I take it you are talking the full 1k SpS-build with the Anima, so from a DPS-build perspective:Quote:
Originally Posted by Amaret
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/X61G
But from an overall healing+damage it would the Alex book because of the weapon damage. I do agree the PIE isn't really all that needed this tier. Now if they just went with SpS instead of PIE on the Alex book.
The only reason the Alex DRK sword is de-facto punched out of BiS because parry isn't a damage increasing stat making the Shire Crit/Det substats come ahead of the weapon damage. -
12-18-2016, 10:23 AMJudge_Xero
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/XT5D
This is the build I'm using right now for progression until I get the healer body and the 275 Book.
While SS is the best SCH DPS stat, of which I discussed back in June. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...es-for-SCH-DPS
What I try to do is stack as much CRT as I can while limiting the amount of Piety I trade for other secondaries. For anyone who has tried a SS Build will notice is that even on SCH you really start to burn through MP with high SS values due to the MP/Potency ratio of Broil to other spells. No MP = no DPS. Which mean you may end up needing to trade other secondaries for Piety to not go OOM which in turn lowers the effectiveness of SS.
Also the pet doesn't scale off SS anyway so you are lowering your effective HPS of the pet which could lower the potential DPS of your co-healer.
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But for any aspiring SCH this tier, the Crafted i250 healer body and Ring, Pentamelded with Acc is such a strong combo I would recommend grabbing that at the very least until BiS is possible. -
12-19-2016, 05:41 AMAmaretThe gain through accuracy and extra Spellspeed is outdoing the extra WD (which is "only" a difference by 2) by a small margin right now. But will increase with the next upgrades.Quote:
Originally Posted by technole
And who cares about overall healing? That 50 hp more healing won't help you in any way.
Basically, its the same as with the DRK Sword its just one weapon "tier" lower. Which will change mid June anyway.