Getting WHM on Par

I do hope that if they do release an AoE mitigation tool for WHM it's a new spell or ability in 4.0 and not a modification to the existing Stoneskin II. The intent of Stoneskin II at the time was introduced as a QoL change to allow for raids to setup faster and given to WHM's for free as a QoL. I feel any buffs to Stoneskin II would generate a lot more outcry from the rest of the player base than praise from the WHM players.

[EDIT] Also you're going to need to do more then just make Stoneskin II usable in combat to make "WHM on par". WHM is actually quite viable in its current iteration but there are some glaring flaws in balance logic when you compare the WHM kit to a Diurnal AST kit and additional mitigation isn't the solution to that.

Why not give their cleric stance a trait that converts X% of damage to healing that would give them a nice little niche as side-healers. Hell also make the trait give an accuracy bonus problem fixed.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Why not give their cleric stance a trait that converts X% of damage to healing that would give them a nice little niche as side-healers.

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I would personally rather not have this. While it would be convenient and save a lot of time, I feel that WHM of all roles shouldn't be side-healers. The current DPS focus is strange enough as it is (and I say this as someone who likes to DPS and speed things up). At the end of the day if we're just going to be DPSers who occasionally throw some regens up and the odd instant cure in between melting faces, I'd rather switch over to another job; it's not what I want from a FF WHM experience.

I'm happy with stoneskin/stoneskin2 as they are, even though actually using the latter in FL is really annoying as someone is always in combat randomly. What I'd personally like as future 4.0 additions is something like haste (note: I'm not saying I want haste specifically). Give all healers something equivalent so nobody gets left behind, but let WHM have some extra tools to make keeping it up easier and more efficient. Oh, and some kind of limited reraise, not because it's essential at all with our current content but simply because not having it feels weird and it would be fun. I like fun.

WHM ain't broke...and if it ain't broke, don't "fix" it XD

Okay okay...what I would like to see is ACC boost for all healers when popping cleric stance.

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I would personally rather not have this. While it would be convenient and save a lot of time, I feel that WHM of all roles shouldn't be side-healers. The current DPS focus is strange enough as it is (and I say this as someone who likes to DPS and speed things up). At the end of the day if we're just going to be DPSers who occasionally throw some regens up and the odd instant cure in between melting faces, I'd rather switch over to another job; it's not what I want from a FF WHM experience.

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it's not farfetched for WHM to DPS even in the old rpgs they would DPS with aero,dia,holy when not healing. The trait would just bring them more on par with SCH who can currently DPS 100% of the time while eos/selene handle the healing. This trait would essentially allow the WHM to do the same. The only reason WHM didn't DPS much in FFXI is that they suffered from MP issues but trust me if MP wasn't a issue they would be DPSing too lol.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

it's not farfetched for WHM to DPS even in the old rpgs they would DPS with aero,dia,holy when not healing.

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Yes, but they do heal as well. I sort of feel as though I don't get to do that all that much in the current design of the game, and that's a shame. Adding even more overpowered heals ironically makes the issue even more obvious. Adding passive healing to cleric stance would just make stepping out of cleric stance even less necessary than it already is; arguably you wouldn't even want to heal so much as boost your DPS through the roof to make your passive healing stronger at some points in the patch cycle. If they want to add a DPS job with passive healing, I think it should be done with a different job.

(If they do it, please make them fix accuracy first. And give us passive refresh or something. Or just make us completely overpowered and then everyone can play WHM and nobody will ever die again.)

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

it's not farfetched for WHM to DPS even in the old rpgs they would DPS with aero,dia,holy when not healing. The trait would just bring them more on par with SCH who can currently DPS 100% of the time while eos/selene handle the healing. This trait would essentially allow the WHM to do the same. The only reason WHM didn't DPS much in FFXI is that they suffered from MP issues but trust me if MP wasn't a issue they would be DPSing too lol.

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I get where you're coming from, and I wouldn't mind WHM taking advantage of their strong dps skills either, but in the end I'm looking for a strong healing experience with WHM. I want skills that solidifies us as a very strong healer, not just an AST without buffs.

And maybe give WHM their iconic re-raise and shell spells, like in every FF games.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

I get where you're coming from, and I wouldn't mind WHM taking advantage of their strong dps skills either, but in the end I'm looking for a strong healing experience with WHM. I want skills that solidifies us as a very strong healer, not just an AST without buffs.

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Stronger heals won't make WHM on par with AST nor SCH the main niche of the other two is what pushes them beyond WHM. WHM utility is only AOE stun that's about it. If SE does want WHM to be the "pure" healer then perhaps they should get a DPS pet and make them the reverse SCH lol but that seems a bit weird for WHM or give them some good AOE reliable buffs like haste/bravery but that's going into AST camp. Honestly WHM is in a bit of a pickle the only way I see them being on-par is the cleric stance trait because it's something different and gives WHM an additional niche.