New Shared Role Action System Concern

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

The general consensus in an older speculation thread on how this will work is that we'll still keep our cross class skills and role skills will be something else.

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They wanted to prune skills, not bloat them - I can't see "that" happening myself.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

The general consensus in an older speculation thread on how this will work is that we'll still keep our cross class skills and role skills will be something else.

For example, PLD will still keep MRD and CNJ as cross class skills, but provoke (as a necessary skill for all tanks) will be made a role skill.

So BRD will keep PUG and LNC cross classes. At worst you'll lose access to invigorate which is likely going to be a melee role skill. But again maybe not. It's all speculation until we get some concrete info.

But I do agree giving ranged classes the Mage role skills seems stupid, what use do MCH and BRD have for swiftcast? (Only one I can think would be a Mage role skill).

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Surecast gets overhauled to allow free movement while casting without interruption, and works on a duration basis instead of only for the next attack. Please look forward to it.

(I wonder if Bard will end up getting a buff where our arrows temporarily turn into magic damage to sync with Foe, in exchange for our attacks using MP instead.)

Or maybe your Songs will now go on your Lung so you need Tp because it Uses up Stamina ^^

I think you are all reading way too much into a system that is still in development and that we have very little detail on at the moment. Feedback is good but I don't think leaping to worse case scenarios is. I mean for example, what cross class Spellcaster skill currently cost mana? Any of them? BLM and SMN already have access to BRD skills.

The Shared Role system is supposed to be a revamp of the cross class system, giving all classes necessary skills, removing existing repeat skills and making it so you don't have to level a Job you don't enjoy to play one you do.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I think you are all reading way too much into a system that is still in development and that we have very little detail on at the moment. Feedback is good but I don't think leaping to worse case scenarios is. I mean for example, what cross class Spellcaster skill currently cost mana? Any of them? BLM and SMN already have access to BRD skills.

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2 things on this part. Yoshi P said a million times to "please speculate" about other things brought up in that article so why not speculate on them all! But also Feedback is only as good as the sincerity behind it. I am FULLY aware we need more details. I stated this from the beginning. But to think people, when given super limited information, won't think about where things could lead is incredibly short sighted. And there is a chance it can let the community team if not the dev team know about people's concerns IN CASE that is in fact the path they were considering.

As far as your spell caster skills costing mana, Nope never said they would. And BLM and SMN have access to BRD skills? Yup they sure do and from the casters I've played with that and swiftcast is the only things they've felt were worth a damn as cross class skills, so that said not sure how that helps BRD and MCH because THAT"S my concern. What does BLM and SMN offer to BRD and MCH? There was another post about the famitsu article that claimed Yoshi P said skills like Bio and Miasma. That does not thrill me.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The Shared Role system is supposed to be a revamp of the cross class system, giving all classes necessary skills, removing existing repeat skills and making it so you don't have to level a Job you don't enjoy to play one you do.

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I can agree with this part of your statement and believe this is more the idea then the "general consensus" someone else spoke of. I do not believe they are in anyway keeping the current cross class skill system or rather the "additional skill system" and it is being replaced with the shared role system. I could of course be wrong but as someone else pointed out this would "bloat" our skills not prune them as would seem to be the desire.

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Originally Posted by Nikkita

Internal Release, Blood for Blood, Invigorate, Second Wind

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To be perfectly honest, that skill (like mantra on DRG) is simply filler. Usually if you NEED to use it you need to light a fire under your healers.

I feel you're thinking WAY too much into this. IR/B4B are staple physical DPS skills, so I doubt they'd be taken away. And how did you draw the conclusion "physical ranged will get spells"?

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Originally Posted by Frowny

To be perfectly honest, that skill (like mantra on DRG) is simply filler. Usually if you NEED to use it you need to light a fire under your healers.

I feel you're thinking WAY too much into this. IR/B4B are staple physical DPS skills, so I doubt they'd be taken away. And how did you draw the conclusion "physical ranged will get spells"?

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Second Wind is pretty great on a Bard with straight shot always boosting our crit rate. ._. If i step in stupid and get a vuln down, it's nice to know that I have a trump card. Mantra as a cross class is garbage, but a 5k crit heal is pretty substantial.

There's a reason why they changed BRD to not use CNJ skills during the overhaul from 1.0 to 2.0. AKA they realized people would demand brds crap-tier heal instead of singing (not that alot of them actually sing anyways).

So I'm reasonably reassured that they're not going to do something ass stupid when it comes to stuff using MP and BRDs.

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Originally Posted by Leknaat

There's a reason why they changed BRD to not use CNJ skills during the overhaul from 1.0 to 2.0. AKA they realized people would demand brds crap-tier heal instead of singing (not that alot of them actually sing anyways).

So I'm reasonably reassured that they're not going to do something ass stupid when it comes to stuff using MP and BRDs.

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You mean something not as stupid like copy and past skills that don't work with BRD and throwing a cast bar onto the class?