For the Love of the TWELVE Can We Get a Proper Elemental Wheel?

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

There are fire extinguishers that uses nitrogen or compressed carbon dioxide. but, let's not bring real life logic to a fantasy logic.

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is nitrogen an element (im not talking about elements we know from chemistry)? besides that you use different types of extinguishers for different types of fire.. fire which is caused by oil you do not extinguish with water.. thats true... but a regular fire you sure can extinguish with water.

from the natural elements water, fire, wind etc... the fireman uses water. and not wind ;)
Wind would cause the fire to spread all over and not to be extinguished.
and for big fires you still use water ;D

watch :D


and the question is what makes more sense. wind to extinguish fire or water ?

its clear that fire is the opposite of water. fire hardly beats water, but water beats easily fire thats clear.
to make water boil away within a second. you need much much fire, and less water.
the other way around is much easier.. get a fire camp and a bucket of water.

i would see leviathan more in the role to beat ifrit with a tidal wave attack instead of beaten by garuda with a hurricane ^.^ haha ;)

Look here:
Article One- [LINK]

"...Wind probably has the biggest impact on a wildfire's behavior. It also the most unpredictable factor. Winds supply the fire with additional oxygen, further dry potential fuel and push the fire across the land at a faster rate."

Article Two- [LINK]

"...Experiments were then conducted in forests, with similar results. The research in both grass and forest indicates that rate of spread increases with fire head width up to a limit which varies with wind speed

Under calm conditions, all fires move at the same slow speed regardless of width. Under light winds, typical of conditions for prescribed burning for fuel reduction, a fire only 20 metres wide might move at its "potential rate of spread". However, with strong winds, fire speed will keep rising up to a width of perhaps 200 metres...."

Article Three- [LINK]

"...During the peak burning time Thursday afternoon, the fire is "probably going to look like a bomb went off," said fire information officer Dale Thompson. The next three days will be tough on the fire lines because of the winds gusting up to 40 mph, he said...."



"...Winds feed wallow fire..."


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~All Credit goes to Google.

Pokemon style:
Fire>ice
water>fire
ligthning>water
earth>lightning
water>earth
ice>dragon

wait, water is OP its like here,lol...




nvm

A proper elemental wheel would probably be pretty scary...

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/elements.png

This is how it works in this game world. "But in real life..." doesn't really apply to video game logic.

In Hydaelyn, wind has the power to oust fire, not exacerbate it.

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Originally Posted by Sephrick

This is how it works in this game world. "But in real life..." doesn't really apply to video game logic.

In Hydaelyn, wind has the power to oust fire, not exacerbate it.

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so does real life, fire cant exist w/o O2. So wind > fire is acceptable

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

so does real life, fire cant exist w/o O2. So wind > fire is acceptable

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Right, and wind only spreads fire in very dry conditions or when there are tons of extremely flammable materials in close proximity. Under normal conditions wind of the magnitude of magic would probably just extinguish flames lol.

Magic > strong breeze

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

when was the last time you shot the candles out on your birthday with a watergun as opposed to just blowing them out?




mind. BLOWN.

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I know you're being a smartass, but...

You DO know from high school science that the air that you blow from your lungs is carbon dioxide - the same stuff that is used in fire extinguishers to blow out fire, right? CO2 is used to stop fires - that's why you can blow out the candles on your cake.

You also do know that wildfires spread faster because of wind and the oxygen provided by the wind that fuels the fires even more. When was the last time firefighters used a giant fan to take out a fire?

I'll let you figure that one out.

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Originally Posted by Bahn

I know you're being a smartass, but...

You DO know from high school science that the air that you blow from your lungs is carbon dioxide - the same stuff that is used in fire extinguishers to blow out fire, right? CO2 is used to stop fires - that's why you can blow out the candles on your cake.

You also do know that wildfires spread faster because of wind and the oxygen provided by the wind that fuels the fires even more. When was the last time firefighters used a giant fan to take out a fire?

I'll let you figure that one out.

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Referring to my above post, the magnitude of magical wind is far greater than that of real world normal winds. Considering magical wind is moving so fast that it can physically harm or kill on its own kind of gives you a bit of a frame of reference. Wind at that speed would not spread fire, it would extinguish it. When was the last time you saw someone conjure wind strong enough to outright kill another living creature?

I'll let you figure that one out.

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Originally Posted by Answa

It has two separate elemental wheels, one Astral and one Umbral. I think it's a nice change and takes literally nothing to get used to.

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That isn't true, though. In one wheel you have Fire, Wind, and Earth, which is two astral elements and one umbral, and the other wheel is the opposite.

With XI's elemental wheel, the astral and umbral elements would all be spaced one apart from each other and form perfect triangles. IMO that'd look a lot nicer.