To the developers: Thanks for listening :)

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

This thread's rather the breath of fresh air.

There's a difference between providing criticism and feedback, and just complaining.

And a lot of what's on the forum is sadly the latter.

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This is a generalization. It still stands true that without critical reception that change might not otherwise occur. People will complain about anything just as people will also praise things that should not be praised. I like to comically think of it as White Knights vs Black Knights.

I don't argue there are a lot of complaints but that wasn't always the case. In fact, there was a time (mostly all of 2.0) that most negative threads got bashed to death by "white knights" (i use that as a general term, not an actual thing). The fact that more and more negative threads indicates a trend or possibly a pattern. Now what the trend is is definitely open to interpretation but there are definitely some concrete factors that contributed to the issues we see in the forums and in the game.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Thing is there is quite a difference between giving feedback and critical reception and just complaining for the sake of complaining. Let alone the typical "the game is dying thread". Complain away if you must, but if the person isn't offering any kind of way to make it better. Then it's just complaining for the sake of complaining..which sadly happens a lot more than I'd like here.

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I definitely 100% agree with you that people that come on to literally say "xyz sucks cuz it does" are just adding more fodder. In a perfect world the threads would be a bit more consolidated instead of having many people making a thread on the same thing.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

Now the real question is which forums had the most weight, the Western ones, or the Japanese ones ?


Personally i have my guesses.

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Hah that's easy. The Japanese forums will always have more weight cuz JP pride yo! But more seriously, really it has more to do with them keeping things to one thread. It also helps that their population don't have a massive disparity in comparison to to ours. Say the JP community was only 10-15% of the playerbase, maybe then NA would be listened to more. However, I will add that is just an opinion, I have no say on how well they listen to us in particular.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Feedback is feedback. good or bad SE would rather know than not know, remember that.

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agree ^

They did add some nice qol changes, and ty for those se! but the to do list is still long :)

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Thing is there is quite a difference between giving feedback and critical reception and just complaining for the sake of complaining.

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There's no unwritten requisite that every average person must have an establish mutli-paragraph article on how they feel. Complaints carry just as much importance as any other form of feedback; a person is unsatisfied with a product in some manner, demanding they put in the work to tell you extensively why is not how you establish and maintain good business. If they do it, that's great, all the more helpful,but it isn't required and it isn't wasting your time. It isn't always easy for someone to define what they like, quite the fact that typically most folks don't actually know what they want. But it's easy to say what they don't like, and taking that in you inevitably figure out what they can like. And in a manner of balancing interests you weigh what one person doesn't like to what another doesn't and find a compromise that in the end can at least satisfy on average.

For you to complain about people only complaining and belittling their opinion is not only hypocritical but shows that you haven't even the basic understanding of customer service. Every bit of feedback should be considered and never brushed off just because it did not fit how you would do it.

SE decides what is a worth feedback and what it isn't, not us.
But yes, I'm really happy with many things in this patch. There are so many little improvements. :) Absolutely love this game, it's not perfect, but it's a game that I'm not ashamed of putting my time in it to build something.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

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How exactly am I being hypocritical if I actually said what they could do to help make it better? I didn't just complain and stopped there. I said they could at least give some kind of feedback. Or did you just read only what you quoted and went from there?

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

How exactly am I being hypocritical if I actually said what they could do to help make it better? I didn't just complain and stopped there. I said they could at least give some kind of feedback. Or did you just read only what you quoted and went from there?

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Offer advice if you will, but you still complained about there being complaining, which at its core is hypocritical. Nothing stopped you from just offering the advice, but you clearly felt to present your own opinion while at the same time brushing offer the opinions of others.

Trust the OF to turn a positive thread about how awesome all the new things are into a discussion where people complain about complaining about complaining...:rolleyes: