Upcoming changes in 3.4

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

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Auto-attack System Changes
Currently when playing as a melee DPS, auto-attacks are executed while standing within 3m and facing within 90 degrees of your target. Since it’s easy for gaps to develop in DPS values because of this, we will be changing the way this functions so that auto-attack are executed for the range requirement only. The angle requirement will be removed and you will be able to execute auto-attacks regardless of where you’re facing.

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This only applies for Auto-Attacks and only for melee DPS, not for skills or abilities. Please read before quoting...
All attacks are bound to an 90° arc in front of a char. After the change Auto-Attacks from melees are excluded from this rule. If you face away you will still AA at your target as melee DPS, cause all ranged job seems to be builed with casts and without AAs in mind from this point. Also tanks seem to be excluded from the AA change cause they are not mentioned here.

The Change for face target is a complete different change and not related to the Change of AAs and will probably work like i discribed before:

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Originally Posted by Legion88

This will kill some PvE elements like ranged tank attacks while moving or kiting in general.
As an example BRD before WM: The high mobility of this job is more or less the same like with WM, cause you can not attack while moving and your target is out of the frontal 90° arc, cause you will not automatically face the target.
Caster don't have a problem or are affected in any way, cause casts can't be done while moving...they are just affected with instant abilities the same way like BRD without/before WM.

Melees have to learn to use the lock on target function to strave and face to target while moving...very cluncky in group pulls with multiple targets...

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Please read what is said after the quote before trying to question someone else's comprehension skills. lol

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Please read what is said after the quote before trying to question someone else's comprehension skills. lol

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sorry i was typing faster then you edited...

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

You don't have to be in a 90 degree angle to auto-attack in the upcoming patch. Pretty sure the facetarget change only effects the /facetarget command (which is what was getting abused), and not the setting that makes you face your target when you use an ability.

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If it doesn't affect the auto face target function the change is useless, cause you can just spam any skill to force you face target while running. You can also just keybind the face target funktion without macro and this is what was abused not the chat command.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

If it doesn't affect the auto face target function the change is useless, cause you can just spam any skill to force you face target while running.

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Except the skill has to be activate-able to face the target and slows you down a bit when you try to cast on the move. Also, the statement about auto-attacks is clearly not limited to melee dps...

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You can also just keybind the face target funktion without macro and this is what was abused not the chat command.

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Im referring to the command itself, not the chat form only.

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Except the skill has to be activate-able to face the target and slows you down a bit when you try to cast on the move.

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At the moment it doesn't affect movement at all if it is a instant skill or ability, you don't need LoS either, just casts are producing a little delay between single facings, cause of the cast abort delay. Is this something you suggest in addition to the change?

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Originally Posted by Nakanishi

Also, the statement about auto-attacks is clearly not limited to melee dps...

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Can you be so kind and share the source please. The offical thread only mentions melee DPS. If in the live letter the melee DPS was only taken as example this should be mentioned in the thread...but to be honest the german thread just looks like google translator version of the english...and both seems incomplete on informations and only quoting some phrases from the live letter.

I seriously don't understand how this is so hard to comprehend.

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Auto-attack System Changes
Currently when playing as a melee DPS, auto-attacks are executed while standing within 3m and facing within 90 degrees of your target. Since it’s easy for gaps to develop in DPS values because of this, we will be changing the way this functions so that auto-attack are executed for the range requirement only. The angle requirement will be removed and you will be able to execute auto-attacks regardless of where you’re facing.

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"Currently when playing as a melee DPS, auto-attacks are executed while standing within 3m and facing within 90 degrees of your target." - Example/Explanation
"Since it’s easy for gaps to develop in DPS values because of this" - Further Explanation
"we will be changing the way this functions so that auto-attack are executed for the range requirement only." - The Actual Auto-Attack Change
"The angle requirement will be removed and you will be able to execute auto-attacks regardless of where you’re facing." - Explanation of the Change

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Originally Posted by Legion88

At the moment it doesn't affect movement at all if it is a instant skill or ability, you don't need LoS either, just casts are producing a little delay between single facings, cause of the cast abort delay. Is this something you suggest in addition to the change?

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I'm aware that instant skills don't delay, but they have to be activate-able to be used, thus not spam-able to remain facing said target on the move. Casting movement delay is fine. I don't suggest additional changes.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

you can just spam any skill to force you face target while running

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That's a good point actually. The change to /facetarget makes zero sense unless "automatically face target when using an action" from the character options menu is affected as well. Which I guess could be argued is really "automatically use the face target command when using an ability". If that's the case this is a huge nerf to melee. Use lock on target all the time or accept that you're now a caster with a 3 yalm range :|

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Originally Posted by Enlial

That's a good point actually. The change to /facetarget makes zero sense unless "automatically face target when using an action" from the character options menu is affected as well.

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Slight difference: /facetarget is not affected by GCDs. So if you're chasing, say, a healer while mashing your rotation abilites, once one connects, you can't use another one for two seconds to remain facing the target. You can however still mash your /facetarget macro. So if the target makes a sudden turn and you just keep your finger on W, you'd be running in the wrong direction for a bit in the first case but not in the second.

The difference could be eliminated by using a macro with /facetarget in the front for every rotational ability of course.

Apparently all crowd control effects will share the the same resistance timer. For example a healer stunned, bound and slept in 5 seconds will be immune to ALL conditions including second stun etc for 1 minute (excluding silence as there's no resistance to it). So that will make CC more valuable and strategic as you'll not be able to spam them as before. Also BLM's sleep will become single target instead of AOE.

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PVP changes.
DRK's Unleash will have bind effect.
Sleep will be single target, while CC time will be unified

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from here, and as said by Cool Boy.

In my opinion that CC "fix" is something like a big nerf,
I agree that you have to manage them better BUT,
as SMN shouldn't I use ruin II because it will give immunity to Blind and so to all CC?
and so on, now a single member of the party can entirely ruin your all CC management.

They can't just change something so important in such a lazy way,
when they decided that all the cast would be interruptable by any skill/attack,
they implemented Equanimity and make Surecast a viable skill.
It could be a great new in my opinion but for the Feast only and with a better plan about it.
(for example reducing the CC resistance to 30 sec and the purify cooldown too) <-- I'm not asking for this, I'm just giving a hint.

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I need to learn to read, I misunderstood what "CC time will be unified" meant.