Token exchange for the Primal Birds

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

only 99 runs

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

only 99 runs

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Yes, only 99. Total. Ever. That isn't very many. Think about it this way, the gear is obsolete at this point and the only reason to run the content at all is for the mount, and if you get the mount (let's be hyperbolic and say they announce this and everyone grinds 99 runs in a week - thats ~14 runs per day) suddenly nobody is running the content anymore. The content is still classed as relevant content for the expansion, and once it's interest dwindles and we look towards the expansion, we will likely see this change.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Yes a nerf on mount drops that doesn't impact any gameplay. There was no reason for the drops to be so low in 2.0 and certainly not now in 3.0, the mounts aren't like the weapons which in some cases could be the best obtainable weapon at the time nor can we use the mounts as a companion. All the mounts are and will forever be is something that just stands out and say "Hey look at me my RNG was good today." We have a bad system, it needs to be reevaluated.

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Let me start by clearing some air on this, whether it affects gameplay or not, you are not entitled to a RARE drop. Mounts are designed as an incentive to run the content regardless of how outdated the content is. RNG is a bad system, but it is the best system for extending the life span of content, because it keeps you running it potentially indefinitely. The alternative is gating, which you DEFINITELY do not want.

Final note: my original post said that I want this change, so I'm not disagreeing with it as a QoL change, only adding to it

Sure, why not.

You can solo/duo all of Kirin now since you still get echo in unsync. Some of them are tough like Ifrit and Ramuh but its doable.

I wouldn't just do it with normal tokens though. That's too simple.

I would do 10-20 different tokens. You only get a token if you roll on a bird and lose. I think if you lose the bird roll on the same primal 10-20 times that's enough BS.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Let me start by clearing some air on this, whether it affects gameplay or not, you are not entitled to a RARE drop. Mounts are designed as an incentive to run the content regardless of how outdated the content is. RNG is a bad system, but it is the best system for extending the life span of content, because it keeps you running it potentially indefinitely. The alternative is gating, which you DEFINITELY do not want.

Final note: my original post said that I want this change, so I'm not disagreeing with it as a QoL change, only adding to it

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Let me give you a huge correction that seems many in this community don't get, you, me and any player is entitled to the option of obtaining gear, mounts and seasonal items this game has to offer if we're all putting in the work. The current RNG based system does exactly what you say you don't want, we already deal with RNG gates between relic weapons and even the kirin mount. It can stay a rare drop all it wants, but the devs need realize that excessive running of content isn't the proper way to revitalize content, it's a cheap gimmick that they put into place because they have no other solutions as to what to do at the current time.

Hopefully they'll just nerf the drop rate every major patch from now on like they did with the ponies. Not interested in farming a .05% mount right now.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

But the devs need realize that excessive running of content isn't the proper way to revitalize content, it's a cheap gimmick that they put into place because they have no other solutions as to what to do at the current time.

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The problem with this is the same problem with weekly caps (and why they are there), which is that if people can get it done in one go, they will, and like I said, 99 runs is not much in the grand scheme of things (I haven't even been farming and I have 30-40 of some just lying around). I can see the devs improving the drop rate of the mount and then adding this, but I would expect (and hope) these changes coming in 3.45-3.55 at the earliest.

Essentially giving eight mounts out per 99 runs really, REALLY nerfs the drop rate.

I bet if the devs bothered to enter these threads they'd have a devilish grin on their faces.

"Working as intended."

Expect arbitrary % drop increases spaced-out between patches, just as the 2.0 primal mounts were. We're repeating the 2.0 cycle after all. It's worked this long.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Let me give you a huge correction that seems many in this community don't get, you, me and any player is entitled to the option of obtaining gear, mounts and seasonal items this game has to offer if we're all putting in the work. The current RNG based system does exactly what you say you don't want, we already deal with RNG gates between relic weapons and even the kirin mount. It can stay a rare drop all it wants, but the devs need realize that excessive running of content isn't the proper way to revitalize content, it's a cheap gimmick that they put into place because they have no other solutions as to what to do at the current time.

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That doesn't make you entitled to it. Primal pigeons, like their pony brethren, are meant to be bonus rewards, which differs from gear needed to actually complete content. You don't need them for anything except vanity. I'm not saying that's at all a bad reason though. What your asking for will inevitably diminish old trials. People who want these pigeons will farm Thordan, Ravana and Bismarck 99 times and never queue again unless they're doing roulettes. As frustrating as RNG can be, it guarantees people will keep doing content. The devs don't intend for you to grind Thordan EX 20-50+ times a day. They want you to pace yourself throughout the entire two year patch cycle so new players will always have people queuing. That's the real reason these mounts exist.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Yes, only 99. Total. Ever. That isn't very many.

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Look, no. You're wrong and that's a crazy way to look at it.

There's "rare" and then there's "unreasonable."

Dear SE, Please make the birds be able to be gotten with 99 tokens, so that later we can complain that 99 tokens is too much and should be reduced to 50.

In all seriousness though, i think these suggestions go against the reason they added the mounts into the trials in the first place. Which was to incentivize people to run the trials more than the x amount of times it takes to get the weapon. So the content doesn't become dead 8 weeks after it comes out. I really don't care one way or the other though.

Toward the end of the expansion they will increase the drop rate more than likely anyways. I don't think they WANT them to be easy to get right now.