Is ninja dps starting to fall behind?

they can buff dancing edge for have more independence when whe are trying to make our best dps whitout a WAR, or worse, having a WAR how never try to have eye 100% of the time, is pretty annoying depend so much from WAR when the other classes don't have this problem, not in the same lvl at least.

I would love it if they buffed our damage. A nin can dream ;-;

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Originally Posted by shao32

they can buff dancing edge for have more independence when whe are trying to make our best dps whitout a WAR, or worse, having a WAR how never try to have eye 100% of the time, is pretty annoying depend so much from WAR when the other classes don't have this problem, not in the same lvl at least.

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Shhhh. Don't give them any ideas. They might add piercing debuff to MCH and BRD so that the DRG slot in parties isn't a 100% given anymore!

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Originally Posted by JackFross

Ninja has the largest skill gap of the three melee. It's incredibly difficult (and dependent on connection speed) to be a very good Ninja. NINs can hold their own with the best DRGs and MNKs, it just takes a lot more skill than either other melee. There's far fewer GOOD Ninjas out there, because many people who play NIN fall victim to the same mentality that caused this thread to be made. When you THINK you can't match up to other melee, you're not going to.

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I fell victim to this. I am now beginning to watch and read guides and stuff. I used to learn my jobs off trial and error, but DRK was the first class I learned from other sources. I am NIN main, so there shouldn't be a reason why I shouldn't put my all into it.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

Ninja has the largest skill gap of the three melee. It's incredibly difficult (and dependent on connection speed) to be a very good Ninja. There's far fewer GOOD Ninjas out there, because many people who play NIN fall victim to the same mentality that caused this thread to be made. When you THINK you can't match up to other melee, you're not going to.

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I agree what's been said here on both accounts. I truly feel that being an excellent anything really depends on you being an excellent player. In the ninja's case, I've seen many people indeed stop trying to improve, which is could party be the reason why really good ninjas are not that easy to come by. And even then, for this class in particular, being decent is cinch, but being amazing is incredibly difficult considering how bottle-necked you become by ping which is more than any other class I feel (i.e. it's difficult to compare to ninjas at sub-50 ping with anything above that).

Ninja dps is fine like it's always been.It's never really been in a bad spot.Just we've had bad players on Ninja.Even if you aren't beating other dps on Ninja does it really matter if you're helping your MT stay in offensive stance and applying a constant debuff to the boss for more damage.
Ninjas need to focus more on what Ninja brings to teamplay instead of worrying about personal dps.

Kinda ties it to the east vs west ffxiv culture (exceptions within exist ofc). NA you push for individual goals while JP push for group. Saying ninja needs a dps buff instead of more ways to provide EVEN MORE raid utility for example

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Ninja dps is fine like it's always been.It's never really been in a bad spot.Just we've had bad players on Ninja.Even if you aren't beating other dps on Ninja does it really matter if you're helping your MT stay in offensive stance and applying a constant debuff to the boss for more damage.
Ninjas need to focus more on what Ninja brings to teamplay instead of worrying about personal dps.

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Im just tired of people posting numbers and the ninja is always 3rd in dps 200-300 dps lower then monk,drgs and blms.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

Im just tired of people posting numbers and the ninja is always 3rd in dps 200-300 dps lower then monk,drgs and blms.

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So long as the game is balanced where your personal DPS output is based on how much you give back to the party, that's just gonna be NIN life.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

Im just tired of people posting numbers and the ninja is always 3rd in dps 200-300 dps lower then monk,drgs and blms.

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You should probably realize that yes, they may be behind by 200-300 but trick attack is a raid wide dmg buff for the party and helps pick up the slack of their lower personal dps.

Nin isn't designed to be the hardest hitting class in the game... they are a utility class if you didn't know, I laughed when I seen what you said (200-300dps behind) their darn utility easily makes up for that, stop tunnel visioning your personal dps, it's not always about you when you are playing with a team (as nin).

Dancing Edge - party utility
Goad- party utility
Smokescreen- party utility
Shadewalker - party utility
trick attack - party utility

is greater than a lack of 200 personal dps, you will allow your tank to do more dmg by not being in tank stance + benefiting from dancing edge debuff

can negate any threat your blm generated with a pre cast smokescreen

can goad a warrior who is going crazy on aoeing adds or just being reckless with tp for more burst.

there is a thousand different things nin can do instead of having 200 more personal dps.

The job is mathematically balanced, lower personal dps, maximum utility, which increases the dps of others, constantly.

The only crap about nin is their aoe is bad, and is being addressed in 3.3.