Once you hit endgame you'll experience a lot more wipes it's not really about if you wipe or not it's what you learn each time you do. Suck it up princess and get back on your feet to try again. If I wanted to quit each time I experienced a wipe or I got yelled at for doing something wrong I would have left a very long time ago.
My first PT wipe :'(
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03-19-2016, 02:40 AMMXMoondoggie
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03-19-2016, 02:42 AMMXMoondoggieThat's probably a good lesson to learn. People will blame you for things and they will give you bad advice when they don't know how to play your class. You just need to learn the bad from the good. Lost count how many baddies have died from something stupid that should have been easily avoided and then wrote "...." in chat like a Healer is able to cure their inability to pay attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciri_Wolf
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03-19-2016, 07:10 AMGeminaI'm not sure if you read the whole thread, but I did dust myself off, and we took care of Halatali and Toto Rak. Being told about the inevitability of endgame wipes does nothing to encourage me. I don't want to be told to expect them, I want to be told how to prevent them. Read between the lines, and it's easy to see that it's not the party wiping, it's that I could have done more to prevent it. Even if the tank made a derp and screwed us.Quote:
Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie
This princess, is a little more resilient than you're giving her credit for. I know more wipes are to come, and I will do my best to learn from each one. -
03-19-2016, 07:41 AMHPDelronImagine you're flying in large complex airship. It's one person's job to steer the thing, another person's job to keep fuel fed to the engine and yet another's to shoot down the terrible vulture monsters that are trying to take you down. Your job is keeping the fuel going.The person manning the cannons falls asleep and the vulture's tear the ships canopy apart sending you plummeting to the ground. What could you have down to prevent this? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
Content with multiple players is by nature dependent on every player doing their part. Now in small content with fewer players sometimes you'll be able to patch up mistakes with the tools at your disposal (generally healing things, maybe some CC). However, ultimately even if you execute perfectly and do everything you can there's a chance somebody else won't and it simply will not be within your power to change anything. It's not that "you should expect" wipes is advice that means some solution or methodology exists and is being withheld it is sometimes literally beyond you. If half your DPS dies due to getting knocked out of the arena that's a wipe and there is -nothing- you can do to change it, end of story no ifs, and's or buts.
This isn't to say self improvement is impossible or pointless. It's just that it's important to keep things in perspective. If you can't find a hole in your play and the other people with can't, it may simply be that there is nothing for you correct. That is if every stands around and goes "Yeah, not your fault" it just might not simply be your problem to correct.
EDIT: However if you're looking for specific tips it'd be good to know your class? Profile says ARC so SCH? Or, your post doesn't seem to say. Keep in mind if you're low level your may be limited by your toolkit with more "Fixer" power coming later. -
03-19-2016, 03:00 PMAndreaWord of advice from healer to healer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
Get used to this feeling lol. Even when it is not your fault the party will look to blame you because the number one rule of being a healer is you are not a person.
This link should help you realize what you've gotten yourself into.
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03-19-2016, 07:35 PMFernosaur
Oh my god you are the most adorable human being on Earth. Let me hug you and make you pancakes forever q-q
Tbh I used to feel the same way when I started tanking and I'd lose hate on IL-capped BLMs on my low level PLD, and then they'd get eaten. Thankfully, in my experience most people in low-level dungeons are very patient because people are still learning as they get new skills with new levels, and once you hit lvl 60 you'll start seeing it the same way: people make mistakes all the time, so there's no point in holding it against them.
I recently accidentally murdered the whole raid in a DF run of Alexander by accidentally cleaving the whole party with an attack that I thought was a soak, but it was a cleave-like tank buster. Thankfully everyone laughed it off. You'll learn to just chuckle at your mistakes and move on, trust me! You'll also get to feel super proud of yourself once you have mastered the mechanics of endgame 8-man raids and become able to solo heal them :D -
03-19-2016, 08:49 PMCulfinrandir
As I healer I fully understand, I still blame myself for wipes automatically even though they're usually not my fault. You will get used to it, especially tanks who don't realise that different types of healers operate in different ways so can't all deal with the same scale pulls. You'll also get people who never want to wait for you to use your protection spells (like protect, stoneskin & shields) & happily run ahead getting killed. Another favourite is those who, after getting a raise, run straight at the strongest mob/AoE & die instantly.
In most cases you will be blamed for the wipe, even if you are the best healer in the game. For some reason it's standard practice to blame a healer even if players take avoidable damage greater than anyone can heal. I've been blamed for not healing through tank busters & raid wide damage that hits for over 30k in one hit when the tank wasn't paying attention or people didn't follow mechanics. It sucks but your skin does grow thick over time. -
03-20-2016, 01:20 AMGemina
@HPDelron
I love metaphors! They're such a good way to explain things to me. Thank you! I think I understand the situation a lot better now. I just... ugh. I wish there was more in my tool kit, but at my level, I will have to be patient. You are so right, and my ability to save a situation is very limited atm. I don't even have whm unlocked yet.
Oh, and to answer the question, I will be leveling both whm and sch. Acn and cnj are both 29, and I just used acn in my profile since it was my starting class. As time passes though, I continuously gravitate towards cnj/whm. I'm just happier when I have a big meat shield between me and angry mobs wanting to make a small meal out of me! But looking at sch's running all over the battlefield doing what they do looks like fun too! -
03-20-2016, 01:51 AMGeminaOMG I am rolling over! I even think someone on the comment section said, "You can't heal stupid" lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrea
Is masochism a great trait to have as a healer? If it is I am well on my way haha! I don't need their help to take all the blame. I'm always the first one to say sorry.
Oh! Before I forget. Moments like this make it all worth it! We are Gods! :)
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03-20-2016, 02:05 AMGeminaYay! I love pancakes lol! Especially the blueberry ones with blueberry syrup :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fernosaur
But thank you for sharing your experiences. I mean I've already laughed at myself wondering why my cures are weak only to see I forgot to get out of cleric, casting on the wrong person, or using Esuna as the effect wears off and it misses lol. But I don't think anyone ever notices these things, only me. But when an HP bar hits zero, it's like "Did our healer DC? AFK?... sup??" I definitely can't wait to have more tools at my disposal. Yup :)