How about a non-support ranged dps?

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Different topic of debate entirely. If it was me Dark Knight's would have been postponed and Samurai added first as a tank class. As it stands I look at Dark Knight as Dark Paladin. And am vastly disappointed in how it performs. Good 30-50 job quests in story content though. 50-60 unfortunately were ass.

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So why is it fair for them to add another melee dps but not a pure ranged dps?

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

So why is it fair for them to add another melee dps but not a pure ranged dps?

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Because the dev team apparently has some jaded idea's on a melee dps they want to implement in their archaic battle system. Ask them. Not me. Good luck on getting an answer though.

Make the red mage melee healer. Make the dancer melee support. And bam! You get a room for pure range dps class... beastmaster with a long whip could be interesting.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

Make the red mage melee healer.

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Melee healer + Judgement Nisi = ?
Melee healer + Searing Wind = ?

Those two mechanics alone make me think we aren't going to see a melee healer.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

Make the red mage melee healer. Make the dancer melee support. And bam! You get a room for pure range dps class... beastmaster with a long whip could be interesting.

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Don't you think a healer would want to stay away from the action instead of being in melee range that could get their face smashed in?

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Melee healer + Judgement Nisi = ?
Melee healer + Searing Wind = ?

Those two mechanics alone make me think we aren't going to see a melee healer.

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Well it is a mage. I am sure we could overcome that with a job design.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Don't you think a healer would want to stay away from the action instead of being in melee range that could get their face smashed in?

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Look at warrior priests in Warhammer etc.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

By fitting them into the roles we have.

TBH we need more magic users. Only having 2 mage dps is really lacking.

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that is true but an int based melee is also not too far off. Red Mage and Dancer to name a few and I imagine they would be the melee equivalent of a "support" dps.

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Originally Posted by Xanikk999

So then do you agree with them adding Samurais? We have enough melee DPS.

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Personally I think when they add new jobs they should always release them in 4's. One tank, one melee, one ranged and one healer. HW only had three but NIN was released early so technically they satisfied the quota I stated earlier.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

Look at warrior priests in Warhammer etc.

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Ok but this isn't Warhammer etc. Unless this new healer job were to have high defense so that they don't turn into paper when dealing with melee cleaves, then you might as well turn them into tanks.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Melee healer + Judgement Nisi = ?
Melee healer + Searing Wind = ?

Those two mechanics alone make me think we aren't going to see a melee healer.

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I think if said healer had ways to mitigate those types of spells, it could work. Maybe a healer version of Hallowed Ground? Or even just something like "Reduces one melee ranged attack by 50%". If Dancer were the melee healer, then I imagine a lot of their mechanics would involve dodging. So that's another way around it.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I think if said healer had ways to mitigate those types of spells, it could work. Maybe a healer version of Hallowed Ground? Or even just something like "Reduces one melee ranged attack by 50%". If Dancer were the melee healer, then I imagine a lot of their mechanics would involve dodging. So that's another way around it.

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But, that's not what nisi or searing wind is, and something like HG wouldn't even help in tat regard. Unless you gave them an ability that gives absolute invincibility or straight up ignore boss mechanics, then that's practically OP.