The lack of creativity annoys me so much...

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Originally Posted by NoahArks

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And your suggestion to an alternative is...?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

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Hire new devs.... fire the current ones cuz they completly lost the way. I just lost 2 more players today in my FC (deleted) cuz this fail patch

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Originally Posted by NoahArks

Yoshi-p said himself in a interview that he wouldn't have done the atma step himself, so why is it returning? If you wouldn't do something yourself, why do you add it to the game?

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Where's that slide/photo of that panel he once did about 1.0-2.0 lessons that says the bit about how fun is important and if it's not fun you're doing it wrong....? I seem to recall something like that but my brain might already be too mush from the relic grind and am just mixing things up as a result....

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

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that was actually in the post, lol. You know, the mention about that one good thing in 1.0? The questline with the cooldown? Okay?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

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to do it "cheaply", i would reuse the S Rank hunt mobs and put them in Treasure Maps, those fights are fun if you limit it to 8 people.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Where's that slide/photo of that panel he once did about 1.0-2.0 lessons that says the bit about how fun is important and if it's not fun you're doing it wrong....? I seem to recall something like that but my brain might already be too mush from the relic grind and am just mixing things up as a result....

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I think that's the same slide that says if the community is not complaining it means they don't care, so they prefer the complaining because it shows the players still care, and when they stop you're screwed.

I'm not saying that to agree with OP though, XI relics are so far beyond anything XIV has made it's laughable this thread exists.

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Originally Posted by NoahArks

that was actually in the post, lol. You know, the mention about that one good thing in 1.0? The questline with the cooldown? Okay?

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Well pretend a lot people playing today didn't do 1.0 relic questing and explain what you mean. But if you think adding a time limit would be better though get ready for the other side of the who hate gated content. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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Originally Posted by NoahArks

that was actually in the post, lol. You know, the mention about that one good thing in 1.0? The questline with the cooldown? Okay?

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I've seen people bitch hatefully about the 1.0 relic quest. I've also seen people posting on this forum saying that making FF14 more like FF11 will solve all its woes.

Personally the Anima quests are mostly what I was expecting. Only the last quest was a shock. I think they have learned a few things. the 'Atma' stage is skippable for people with Zetas and for those who have to do it, since it doesn't require a specific weapon equipped, a specific class or a specific level, it means people can do things like level alts while gathering the Crystals. It might also just be my experience but the grind isn't nearly as long as atma one was. I also like that the final stage allows you so much diversity in choice over how to earn the things you need.

Is it grindy and time consuming? Sure. However that's what they said it was going to be. Its an investment of time vs challenge. Its a way for those who don't want to or cant do Alex Savage to get gear of a similar level.

Basically the Dev's at this point are "It's clear we don't want to put the work into making this a fun game for our players anymore. So here, shut up and grind."

Thanks, SE, I guess.

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Originally Posted by NoahArks

It won't be long till this will be the next FF11. They literally tried to copy FF11 with their relic weapon quests only they made it boring as hell.

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People need to stop comparing this to FFXI. It's not even remotely the same or as hard a grind. Not. Even. Close. And the fact is it's not a fair comparison.