SE GIVE US ANIMA FOR FREE (SARCASM)

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Achievements are subjective, so yes, this is an achievement to some. Most of the people complaining have taken one look at the phases and decided "nope", come to the Forums to whine about it with no constructive feedback other than the one thread I've seen, and will probably go ahead with the relic anyway after threatening to unsub. I don't know why people think this is any more grindy than what they've been doing already.

Nobody is being forced to get the relic weapon and there are other weapons available. If you don't want to grind then simply don't.

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Nobody is being forced, you're right. But it is a RELIC WEAPON. Its a very important piece of content.

Achievements aren't entirely subjective. Grinding neither challenges your dexterity or intelligence. Whereas learning and clearing mid/high end content does. All that grinding does is challenge your commitment of spending hours upon hours doing content that requires no skill. That is not commendable in my views.

Some grind isn't a bad thing. Like grinding content that takes skill... as people do with raiding/primals/even alex normal.

There is a grind in the sense of you don't know what will drop or if you will even win the roll. But that is mitigated by increased chances of reward vs skill level.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

Its because the same people who defend "People just want stuff handed to them" believe that grinding low level content for 200 hours is an achievement or feat of some sort.

Even running Coil 1-13 would be better. Its easier than current mid-core content, gives new players access to the story AND teaches people how to play their job because T9/13 is still a challenge unsync.

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If they are seriously at this point of the game and do not have no idea how to play their job even at 50% then I think they have bigger problems then worrying about playing all the new content, its not SE's fault that those who rush the content and do not take Opportunities to better themselves, and plus it's asking new players to run more content that is also optional.

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Originally Posted by Cwestcott18

Its all optional though, and plus if everyone wants to just wait around with only FFXIV to play then yeah everyone is going to get really tired of the lack of content.

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Which will happen now anyway since the relic's not going to be considered by many people due to the last step requiring a tedious amount of grinding or an easier albeit slower daily setup.

But sure, let's keep defending this grindy, daily mess with lack of true social bonding or displays of skill. Code's already been there, models could've been used differently. Guess the mess that was Diadem, red scrips, Alexander tokens, hunts weren't enough yet. Really, keep'm comin', keep defendin', see where it brings ya.

Re: there is nothing but the grind.

True! Unless you realize that the Gordian Weapons are on the same power-level. So you could raid instead for the same (really, better) gear. If you want a skill-requirement instead of a time-requirement, there it is.

I think this is good. Now people who don't raid and would rather grind can, and they've got a couple different things/ways to grind to break it up (beast tribe/Alex Normal/Dungeons). Your path to an i210 weapon could go a lot a different ways depending on what's best for you.

If they all suck, don't do it. Literally no content requires an i210 weapon right now.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

People don't want it for free.

I think most of us just want something akin to the first relic quest that actually required skill to complete, not just a mindless grind.

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THIS is what I'm trying to say. I wouldn't have minded if the methods to obtain things had better things to DO to get them instead of mindless grinding. Heck, even tossing in Binding Coil runs would be fun for the level 60-ers. Idk, it's just ridiculous that it's just a grind with nothing else like lore or accomplishments or trials behind them that add some spice to it.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

Nobody is being forced, you're right. But it is a RELIC WEAPON. Its a very important piece of content.

Achievements aren't entirely subjective. Grinding neither challenges your dexterity or intelligence. Whereas learning and clearing mid/high end content does.

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To some it is a personal achievement. It doesn't matter what trait it challenges. Some people enjoy working towards a goal and the satisfaction of completing it.

Again, there are other weapons available and you're not going to be removed from a party for not having a relic weapon. I would understand if this was the only decent weapon available, but it isn't.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

Its because the same people who defend "People just want stuff handed to them" believe that grinding low level content for 200 hours is an achievement or feat of some sort.

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It IS an achievement...paragon of patience excellence :p

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Originally Posted by Cwestcott18

If they are seriously at this point of the game and do not have no idea how to play their job even at 50% then I think they have bigger problems then worrying about playing all the new content, its not SE's fault that those who rush the content and do not take Opportunities to better themselves, and plus it's asking new players to run more content that is also optional.

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I guess you haven't pugged/DF coil/EX Primals.

Its not that they're bad players, its that they're encouraged NOT to give a damn about mechanics and their job by being given content like this and tomes that rewards top end gear for nothing but time investment.

When tomes were first released, I took it as "Hey... this is a nice idea, it gives people a good set of gear to get into raiding". Then tomes became the MAIN content of end game.

Unless I remember wrong, doing all the ARR relic isn't mandatory, so really it is a brand new step for those who are just getting into HW, and really I don't understand how people who have played the older content didn't see it coming, so its old to some of us who have done it, but maybe SE just wanted everyone else to know the pain lol

It's just a big ol' lazy slab of grind. No new trials, no new anything. You can't even call it "recycled" because that would imply that things have been changed to keep it fresh. Nope, it's just "go back and do Alex normal 800 times". That's lazy development and should not be defended.