Diadem Leeches

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Originally Posted by Nalien

or have gatherers unearth items which apply a party wide buff. That way you want a gatherer because they're getting you more rare monsters, and buffing everyone. That would effectively be a support slot, come to think of it...

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Gatherers can dig up/fish up treasure coffers, apparently. I haven't seen it myself (my one trip into the Diadem was like herding cats, couldn't get anyone to stick together and every node has mobs staring at it) but I heard several people say something to that effect.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

They assume we are japanese I suppose? Cus we are no where near as polite as they seem to be. I mean closed beta they actually formed a line as I recall due to only 1 person being able to do the Gridania quest at a time? NA/EU was a scramble "Lol good luck getting in"

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I can assure you, leeching and lotting happens by JP players also.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

They might have figured preventing unjust kick into 2 hour lockout took priority over vote kick.

Then again they didn't realize people might abuse ready check spamming. Who knows.

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That's a good point too...

I think, perhaps, really this content was intended for FC groups or others who know each other, can work together and get along across goals that aren't necessarily 100% self interest. Then the DF mode was just added so access wouldn't be overly restricted...

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Gatherers can dig up/fish up treasure coffers, apparently.

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Yeah, but what do they actually involve any combat at all? If they're like the Treasure Maps, then that's certainly something, but I've not actually seen one myself, so perhaps they need to adjust the mechanic somewhat if that's the case, they seem rare...

There is actually a lot of things they could do with gatherers being involved... Remember all those quests where you pick up an item to use either to spawn an enemy, or weaken it? Gathering could certainly do that here.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Yeah, but what do they actually involve any combat at all? If they're like the Treasure Maps, then that's certainly something, but I've not actually seen one myself, so perhaps they need to adjust the mechanic somewhat if that's the case, they seem rare...

There is actually a lot of things they could do with gatherers being involved... Remember all those quests where you pick up an item to use either to spawn an enemy, or weaken it? Gathering could certainly do that here.

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No combat for treasure coffers found while gathering. It'll just appear and you can just go open it to roll on whatever's inside

Why is it leeching because someone wants to gather there? There are new gathering nodes there for a reason. Why is it required you go there and help fight. If someone wants to go and gather the whole time who are you to tell them they cant?

Leeching would be going in and just going afk while still rolling on all loot. Which is what's coming next as soon as these types of players find out they can. Then your going to have much bigger problems in there than someone gathering as intended.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

That's a good point too...

I think, perhaps, really this content was intended for FC groups or others who know each other, can work together and get along across goals that aren't necessarily 100% self interest. Then the DF mode was just added so access wouldn't be overly restricted...

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BINGO! I think this is the most insightful and correct reply, along with the point someone made earlier about not wanting to allow people to be kicked into a 2 hour lockout.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Why is it leeching because someone wants to gather there? There are new gathering nodes there for a reason. Why is it required you go there and help fight. If someone wants to go and gather the whole time who are you to tell them they cant?

Leeching would be going in and just going afk while still rolling on all loot. Which is what's coming next as soon as these types of players find out they can. Then your going to have much bigger problems in there than someone gathering as intended.

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I would consider it leeching on the simple fact they refused to help when asked, and still rolled on loot, despite not being willing to help earn said loot.

a simple way to fix this , if someone doesnt participate in killing the mob they shouldnt be able to roll on the loot

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Well, they should probably just make Stealth work there at this point... Then just work it so you can queue in as a gathering class... So then you have a party full of people interested in those objectives, rather than lumping gatherers and combat together for no tangible benefit.

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I think what would work as forcing DOL to fight in order to gather. It could be a buff or Debuff depending on how you look at it, two ideas come to mind.

Rank of mob=% of ability to gather.

Killing a Rank I=10% of a 100% each 100%=1 node to gather from for a max of 10k% however in order to get credit you have to fight the targets in question.

So if the ranks did the following:

Rank1=10%
Rank2=20%
Rank3=50%
Rank4=75%
Rank5=200%
Star=500%

This is just an example. So basically you go in and you kill 2 Rank 4, 5 Rank 1, and 1 Rank 5, all member involved in killing those and putting effort to killing those on DOM/DOW will have 400% Gather potency allowing them all to gather from 4 nodes. You go off, Gather 4 nodes and now you can't see Nodes anymore and thus have to fight again.

With that in mind though if a system like this was put in place I'd also have it where Stealth now works to balance the need to kill mobs since the % and ability to gather could also be seen as "intimidation" towards the monster and thus they would be to afraid to fight you cause you have shown them your battle prowess.

That's my 2 cents though, but I feel like it would encourage people to work together more and it would force DOL to have to pace themselves with how they gather and fight during that alloted time.