Scholar possible buffs

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Originally Posted by Maow

any sort of explanation as to how scholar is OP would be great so that there's more than "scholar op" and "buff scholar" in this post.

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Scholar doesn't have a single weakness. It can do everything if it wishes for it. Burst single-target healing? Yes. Most MP-efficient and fluid sustained single-target healing in the game? Check. AOE-healing? Sufficiently good now, as this game has very interval-based AOE-damage mechanics, meaning that Indomitability/normal Succor with a shield/pseudo-Medica-Emergency-Tactics-Succor are all readily available tools. And that is just assuming Selene is being used - if you add up Whispering Dawn and other Eos buffs there, well.. Yeah. Not to of course mention how ridiculously good Deployment Tactics is.

DPS-wise, SCH easily has the best sustained DPS for both single-target and AOE; this also being supplemented by how the SCH does its damage (the nature of their off-DPS and general Cleric Stance fluidity with their tools), as well as how Energy Drain doubledips as a MP-restoration skill, and how Aetherflow is generally superior, etc. etc., all of which contributes to the sustainability.

If you think about the SCH - can you think of even one thing where it sucks? Mitigation, pure heals, sustained heals, bursty heals, DPS, utility, MP-sustain etc.? I can't. Sure, you mostly have the SCH play out in a certain way in progression (as an off-DPSer with mostly mitigation and support heals at times), but SCH has an answer to everything should it wish for it.

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Scholar doesn't have a single weakness. It can do everything if it wishes for it. Burst single-target healing? Yes. Most MP-efficient and fluid sustained single-target healing in the game? Check. AOE-healing? Sufficiently good now, as this game has very interval-based AOE-damage mechanics, meaning that Indomitability/normal Succor with a shield/pseudo-Medica-Emergency-Tactics-Succor are all readily available tools. And that is just assuming Selene is being used - if you add up Whispering Dawn and other Eos buffs there, well.. Yeah. Not to of course mention how ridiculously good Deployment Tactics is.

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as far as single-target "burst" healing, I'm guessing you mean crit adloquiums. Let me tell you about how unreliable crit can be: with 665 crit, 0/10 adloquiums came out as crit. Of course, on a better day I might crit all 10 of them. But that's exactly the point. It's unreliable. In comparison to the 20k Cure 2's white mage can do with the right party, scholar isn't exactly OP from that perspective. I do agree that Scholar has the EASIEST mana management out of all 3 healers. However, if you're playing white mage and astrologian right you won't be burning all your mana unless you're overhealing for no particular reason. As far as AoE healing goes, it is much better than how it was in 2.0. I explained my issue with Deployment Tactics, it's not that it's not a GOOD skill, it's just that a skill that spreads (eye for an eye) doesn't serve much of a purpose. I'm not saying that Scholar isn't good, it could just do a lot better as a SUPPORT healer with the buffs I mentioned below.

SCHs are treated as 80% DPS, 20% heals for progression raids nowadays, you can ask for all these buffs and nothing will really change, as you'll spend most of your time DPSing anyway >_>.

Scholar has arguably the best kit in the game, why would they even need a buff?

3 DoTs that cannot miss, one of them being a ground AoE
Able of spreading 3 DoTs to nearby targets, which also cannot miss when already applied on the initial target
Up to 6 Lustrates to use in a small window if you really want to. Although not recommended, Scholars are the only ones capable of doing so.
Arguably the best MP tool among the three healers. Unlike Shroud and LA, this one scales on MP pool. There's also Assize, but with 50% more CD time and also 50% less MP recovery
Broil, although costly, allows Scholars to have burst DPS for a short period close or on par with White Mages.
Fairy has 300 potency (440 potency on average when used Rouse whenever possible) healing that has no direct cost, unlike Regen/Aspected Benefic.
Scholar Virus has more uses than White Mage Virus. Also more potent than Astrologian Disable.
Deployment tactics allows the scholar to apply the best form of AoE mitigation - Although not in rapid succession
Emergency Tactics combined with Indomitability allows the scholars to have up a 700 potency AoE healing - Also not in rapid succession
Only healer among the three that can reliably buff group DPS with Selene
Only healer among the three that can raise magic defense buff aside from protect with Eos
Only healer among the three that has access to AoE dispelling with Selene
Only healer that has the ability to silence, although rather niche

There are so many tools Scholars have access to other healers do not have, why would they even need a buff? They simply have a larger set of tools to play around with. I'll omit further details, as the details is not related to the topic of discussion (yet). If anything, they'll have an incredibly hard time catching up when the situation turns sour. For any scholar worth their salt knows what this is about; undesired and rapid burning of your precious aetherflow stacks.

Scholars may be OP, that's questionable the very least. But they're only OP if the other healer allows them to be. Be it a terrible healer where a scholar has to patch up everywhere or a great healer and the scholar's capable of pushing out a lot of extra healer damage.

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Originally Posted by Maow

Eye for an eye + Deployment Tactics: Don't get me wrong, Deployment Tactics is a wonderful skill. However, as of now I've yet to find any REAL use of using Eye for an Eye with Deployment Tactics.

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Bismarck (EX): After getting off Flying Moby.
A1(S): After jump, both tanks can have eye for an eye
A2(S): You could practically eye for an eye+deployment here whenever. Inb4 tanks are too far apart: There's like 20y range if you use your fairy as a proxy.
A3(S): Hands phase

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Originally Posted by Maow

as far as single-target "burst" healing, I'm guessing you mean crit adloquiums.

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Without crit, Emergency Tactics Adlo is still good for 600 potency. You can instantly weave in a lustrate after for another 600 potency; 1200 potency. It seems to be a thing to add in embrace too, so add that up as well. Rouse and/or Fey Illumination would boost up that burst even more.

But I can understand how you think Scholar is "underpowered". You have the wrong image of the other healers.

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Originally Posted by Maow

In comparison to the 20k Cure 2's white mage can do with the right party, scholar isn't exactly OP from that perspective

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In what kind of white mage's wet dream are you living where a cure II can heal for 20k?

I agree on what you said about Lustrate. It feels completely underwhelmed compared to 2.0 not to mention it doesn't get scaled with WAR.

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Originally Posted by Maow

as far as single-target "burst" healing, I'm guessing you mean crit adloquiums.

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Nah, I meant Lustrate, woven with whatever you want. Adloquium, Physick, Embraces, Emergency Tactics'd Adloquium... These are extremely efficient heal bombs.

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Originally Posted by Maow

as far as single-target "burst" healing, I'm guessing you mean crit adloquiums. Let me tell you about how unreliable crit can be: with 665 crit, 0/10 adloquiums came out as crit. Of course, on a better day I might crit all 10 of them. But that's exactly the point. It's unreliable.In comparison to the 20k Cure 2's white mage can do with the right party, scholar isn't exactly OP from that perspective.

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I'm curious, just how does a WHM do 20K Cure II's? Take into account you're trying to compare this to the reliability of Crit Adlo and your implication is that WHMs can reliably do a 20K Cure II, thus negating the need for a Crit Adlo.

Also, is there ever a scenario where you actually NEED a 20K Cure II in the current Meta? @____@

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Bismarck (EX): After getting off Flying Moby.
A1(S): After jump, both tanks can have eye for an eye
A2(S): You could practically eye for an eye+deployment here whenever. Inb4 tanks are too far apart: There's like 20y range if you use your fairy as a proxy.
A3(S): Hands phase

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Without crit, Emergency Tactics Adlo is still good for 600 potency. You can instantly weave in a lustrate after for another 600 potency; 1200 potency. It seems to be a thing to add in embrace too, so add that up as well. Rouse and/or Fey Illumination would boost up that burst even more.

But I can understand how you think Scholar is "underpowered". You have the wrong image of the other healers.


In what kind of white mage's wet dream are you living where a cure II can heal for 20k?

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About that,

- It's great that you've pointed out all the strengths of scholar, but you're missing my point. In my original post I mentioned lustrate, PARTY-WIDE eye for an eye, and Dissipation. As far as Emergency Tactics counting as "burst" healing, I don't get your point. All it does is turn the shield into actual HP; basically the same thing unless you're dealing with Dark Knight's Living Dead or if you're at a point where the shield won't get destroyed. Lustrate, on the other hand, is underwhelming in comparison to what it used to be and what it COULD be, hence why I suggested a possible buff for it. When I mentioned eye for an eye I meant the best you can do with it. Meaning party-wide Eye for an eye still doesn't have much use, unless for some reason all 8 people in the party are getting hit by different targets. Thanks for explaining your points of view and I look forward to further discussing this.

Getting our WHM to crit for 20k again, note that it's with a specific party setting, lol.

LMAO, SCH needs a buff? Is this an early April Fools joke?

SCH is the most OP job in the game, and honestly, if you need SCH to get buffs, then you must be a really bad SCH.

Unlimited MP
Free fairy heals
The ONLY AOE Esuna in the game
Many free instant heals
Huge DPS capabilities
E4E+Supervirus (no other healer has this combo)
Magic defense bonus
Ability to turn Succor into Medica
DPS buff in the form of consistent attack speed bonus

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Originally Posted by Maow

as far as single-target "burst" healing, I'm guessing you mean crit adloquiums.

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Well...we have the access to lustrate (if you time it you can use up to 6 lustrates)
We have emergency tactics+adloquium...if it crits? *error numbers are too big to calculate*
Please do not forget poor Eos+Selene, we can rouse them and you can manage them to heal the target you want + your heals (physick) which means 400pot + fairy's free of mp cost 300 heals buffed by 40% that's a LOT of HP and even if the 40% buff wears off the amount of HP recovered is still awesome.
If you use Fey illumination+ rouse? EVEN BETTER (Your heals+20% + fairy's heals +60%) .
And for every heal we mention we MUST add the free of MP cost 300 potency heal from the fairy.
So basicaly
Physick(400)+(300)
Adloquium(300)+(300)
Lustrate(600)+(300)
ET Adloquium(600)+(300)
That of course if you manage your fairy...if not then i'm sorry :l

We have so so so many tools that it hurts (i wish my astrologian had at least half of those tools)
(I like your DT+E4E idea though, our main role is damage mitigation and that would fit the job role pretty well)