Hah, that wouldn't really bother me. I like the base classes and I've wished for awhile they were useful for something or other. They're quite obviously moving away from them entirely at this point, so that ship has seemingly sailed, but I hate seeing under-utilized system aspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donjo
Why are DPS so upset about tanks coming close to their DPS?
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08-30-2015, 03:48 AMAlahra
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08-30-2015, 03:56 AMOsteichthyes
I hate that tanks can dps, bringing more damage to make dungeons go faster, making dps checks more manageable, allowing dps to crank out more dps without worrying about enmity. It's the worst I tells ya. Next thing you know they will give healers abilities that damage as well.
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08-30-2015, 04:02 AMArkenne
I dont mind Tanks DPSing more... so long they can keep the aggro on themselves :/
I once got a Tank showing off their DPS after a wipe we had because everything they were hitting on was jumping everywhere and because everyone died for out-aggroing him, he ended with a high number... bravo, dude... but next time first Tank then DPS :/
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08-30-2015, 04:27 AMPhoeniciaJust because a game has PvP doesn't make it a PvP game. This game, first and foremost, is a PvE game with a PvE focus. PvP was added as an after thought or a mode to attract more players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
A PvP focused game will have classes balanced towards PvP from the get-go. Take Aion for example. Though people might argue class balance in that game because it followed an obvious paper > rock > scissors system. But that system was in there to prevent the top geared people from running rampant without anyone stopping them and encouraged group play. If you're a templar? Don't run solo because you can stomp scout classes, a mage class will put you back in place.
Regardless, this game has PvP, but it's not a PvP game and class balance should NOT be done based on a single feature that is hardly 10% of what it has to offer.
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08-30-2015, 04:31 AMAlahraMy point in general was that people would *complain* more if the PvP was more popular, though. WoW wasn't a PvP game either at its core, but it didn't stop balance changes from being made in response to PvP. This game is better equipped for that, as they've long established that PvP and PvE are completely separate magisteria, as it were, so PvP balance issues will probably never affect PvE the way they have for years in WoW. We just don't hear PvP complaints on this issue because, by and large, only a small fraction of the playerbase really cares.Quote:
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08-30-2015, 04:34 AMNadirahI hear it mostly from tanks as an insult to the dps("jebus crap this dps is shit, he's only 100 above me and I'm the tank!").Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori_Kumo
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08-30-2015, 04:49 AMPhoeniciaI agree with you. PvP is a very small minority in this game. More the reason it shouldn't be balanced around it. I know that this game is running a VERY solid system where PVP balance will never affect the PvE balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
My original point, however, was the simple fact of an overly "powerful" character is not a bad thing to the group's health as long as that said character will never be against me under normal circumstances. :p
Oh please, I do not remember the last random DPS I got from DF that was even 100 DPS ahead of me. "And I'm the tank!". lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Nadirah
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08-30-2015, 06:34 AMHoodRatI fixed it for you.Quote:
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08-30-2015, 06:58 AMKumori_KumoIt must be so exhausting to micromanage people playing a game. I can't imagine how that would be any fun at all.Quote:
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08-30-2015, 07:32 AMViviza
Allowing everyone to do decent DPS waters down the role of DPS, because it takes away from their unique niche. Players having a role that the party relies upon them for makes for a stronger feel of teamwork. You don't, for example, see dragoons with a taunt and defensive buffs as a backup tank and doing the job nearly as good as real tanks. In the rare cases that DPS could tank (titan-egi on ramuh, for example) this was patched out quick.
It also makes the balance of the game heavily skewed towards doing DPS and making DPS checks, which in a backwards sort of way lessens the roles of tanks and healers, given they're trying to optimize DPS rather than their own speciality. Right now you have tanks essentially scorning some defensive statistics as a necessary evil, otherwise pushing damage. So you see threads pop up with tanks and healers complaining that their DPS isn't on par, despite that not really being their role in a party. Is it correct that the meta for raiding becomes "push dps at almost all costs"? I don't like it, because it makes a fairly simple system even more focused on that single aspect, but opinions differ.
Edit: I understand that there's an appeal to being able to hit reasonably hard. Tanks and healers who are feeble without a DPS will just push people away from those roles. I'm more pointing out that this comes with some trade-offs.