You shouldn't be using it with blood price in the first place. It's best to rotate between the two to avoid situations like the one you're suggesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialKK
Also, people tend to under mind the usefulness that DA + DD brings. A 20% chance to evade ANY incoming damage? Evasion is the best form of mitigation in the game (outside of Pld's HG). And it's only 20% of the time (so around 1/5 attacks) so you most likely WILL be getting some of those incoming attacks to proc reprisal and low blow's reset. And you'll only be able to get off 1 reprisal during the duration of Dark Dance anyways and that's assuming reprisal's CD is about to end. All in all Dark Dance is a VERY solid ability that people tend to overlook as not all that good...but people also forget that the 20% evasion applies to both physical and magical. And because of that it can be said that every defensive CD that Drk has can, in some way or form, mitigate any and all magic attacks, which is also what makes Drk the best tank in terms of magic mitigation.
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08-13-2015, 04:39 AMAgrieus
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08-13-2015, 06:14 AMPhoeniciaIf only evasion worked where it matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrieus
But even if it worked, evasion will never be the best form of mitigation as long as you cannot reliably avoid the damage you want to avoid.
Let's assume you have 5 mobs attacking you, four of them are doing 3k per hit, the last one is doing 500 per hit, 20% evasion is a chance to avoid 1/5, assuming that it's a static rate (meaning you will ALWAYS avoid one of the 5 attacks), and you only avoid the 500 hits but eat the 4 x 3k hits. You are NOT reducing damage by 20%. (Same reason why parry and block are also considered poop. And parry/block don't completely negate damage).
Yes I know this is an extreme example, but it happens where you only avoid the weakest attacks but eat all the big ones.
On the other hand, Rampart (20% total DPS reduction) for example will always be better than 20seconds of 20% evasion because of reliability. -
08-13-2015, 07:14 AMDiscA 20% chance to evade MP recovery, I sure do want that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrieus
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08-13-2015, 09:16 AMAgrieus.....Then I'll ask the obvious question here.....why are you using Blood Price with DA + DD when you already know that if you dodge the attack you won't get any mp back? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic to everyone else that's doing this or your just running two defensive utilities at incorrect times and complaining about it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Disc
And Phoenicia, your point is absolutely vaild and I don't feel the need to take it further as you do understand the purpose behind evasion mitigation. Just don't forget that with the ability, you still get a parry rate increase as well (which still grants you access to possible repeated use of low blow stuns and reprisal). With that being said, it's better to compare this ability to something like Bulwark rather than rampart since Drk already has Shadowskin which is literally the same thing as rampart. See what I mean? It's like Bulwark but potentially better since you now have the possibility of dodging something like a tank buster that works for both physical and magical attacks. It may not be completely reliable, but when you dodge stuff like Discoid in A4 or repeated Flare Breaths from T13....it's a glorious thing.
And if people can't see how useful this can really be...then too bad for them.
Oh yeah...completely forgot to mention the extra benefit from DA + Dark passenger's blind effect. That helps out even more.
But yeah, in short...don't be that guy/gal that used blood price with boosted dark dance....use some sense. -
08-13-2015, 09:48 AMNektulos-TuorBlood Price won't proc unless you get hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrieus
Parry won't proc unless you get hit.
Reprisal won't be usable unless you parry.
Low blow won't proc unless you parry.
More then a few issues. :'3
I would rather Dark Knights get a "special" block that blocks damage and reduces it or a "ward" that regenerates.
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08-13-2015, 09:53 AMLadon
You aren't going to be dodging any tank busters any time soon either. You can dodge some Primal attacks but you never were able to dodge anything in Coil and it looks to be the exact same situation with Alex Savage.
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08-13-2015, 09:57 AMAgrieusThat only applies if you actually evade the attack and if the attack was even physical to begin with. A4 is a good example. The only time you'd even get a chance at getting a reprisal is when the adds spawn or your OT in quarantine. And don't mention DD with blood price. I've been over that twice already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor
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08-13-2015, 10:03 AMAgrieusIncorrect since evasion applies to both physical and magical. And yes, it DOES work on tank busters. It never worked in previous coils because evasion was never a thing that anybody ever used before due to the lack of access to such an ability outside of feather foot, but nobody every bothered with feather foot since it was only a 12% chance to begin with....and Monks aren't tanks. Lastly, Dark Knight's weren't around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladon
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08-13-2015, 10:10 AMNektulos-TuorWarriors have access to Feather Foot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Agrieus
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08-13-2015, 10:28 AMAgrieusYes, a 12% that nobody has ever bothered trying to use....which I also just said....Quote:
Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor