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    DRK: Dark Dance

    I think this would be a much cooler spell if it was changed too...

    Dark Dance: Defensive Version
    Parry the next two attacks.
    Restore MP for each attack parried.
    Duration: 7 seconds.
    Recast: 15 seconds.
    Can only be used in Darkside.

    Or


    Dark Dance: Offensive Version
    Increases Parry Chance by 40%.
    Delivers an attack with a potency of 50 every time you parry.
    Duration: 10 seconds.
    Recast: 20 seconds.
    Can only be used in Darkside.

    Remove the Darkside+Darkside Evasion from it.

    This would make it a lot better to the class.
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    Last edited by Nektulos-Tuor; 08-12-2015 at 03:35 AM.

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    I would much rather it be changed to...

    Sheltron Dark Dance:
    Parries the next physical attack.
    Partial MP restored upon parry.
    Duration: 20 seconds.
    Recast: 30 seconds.
    Can only be used in Darkside.

    It's annoying when 3 out of 10 pulls leave me with no parry or Reprisal proc to mitigate a big cleave.
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    I really don't see what they were thinking adding an evasion bonus to it with darkarts when we need a parry to get the proc for reprisal and it didn't help that it is off gcd. But given the way shield swipe works on PLD if reprisal was on gcd wed rarely give the debuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dererk View Post
    I really don't see what they were thinking adding an evasion bonus to it with darkarts when we need a parry to get the proc for reprisal and it didn't help that it is off gcd. But given the way shield swipe works on PLD if reprisal was on gcd wed rarely give the debuff.
    Not to mention we want to get hit for blood price
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialKK View Post
    Not to mention we want to get hit for blood price
    You shouldn't be using it with blood price in the first place. It's best to rotate between the two to avoid situations like the one you're suggesting.

    Also, people tend to under mind the usefulness that DA + DD brings. A 20% chance to evade ANY incoming damage? Evasion is the best form of mitigation in the game (outside of Pld's HG). And it's only 20% of the time (so around 1/5 attacks) so you most likely WILL be getting some of those incoming attacks to proc reprisal and low blow's reset. And you'll only be able to get off 1 reprisal during the duration of Dark Dance anyways and that's assuming reprisal's CD is about to end. All in all Dark Dance is a VERY solid ability that people tend to overlook as not all that good...but people also forget that the 20% evasion applies to both physical and magical. And because of that it can be said that every defensive CD that Drk has can, in some way or form, mitigate any and all magic attacks, which is also what makes Drk the best tank in terms of magic mitigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrieus View Post
    Evasion is the best form of mitigation in the game (outside of Pld's HG).
    If only evasion worked where it matters.

    But even if it worked, evasion will never be the best form of mitigation as long as you cannot reliably avoid the damage you want to avoid.

    Let's assume you have 5 mobs attacking you, four of them are doing 3k per hit, the last one is doing 500 per hit, 20% evasion is a chance to avoid 1/5, assuming that it's a static rate (meaning you will ALWAYS avoid one of the 5 attacks), and you only avoid the 500 hits but eat the 4 x 3k hits. You are NOT reducing damage by 20%. (Same reason why parry and block are also considered poop. And parry/block don't completely negate damage).

    Yes I know this is an extreme example, but it happens where you only avoid the weakest attacks but eat all the big ones.

    On the other hand, Rampart (20% total DPS reduction) for example will always be better than 20seconds of 20% evasion because of reliability.
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    Last edited by Phoenicia; 08-13-2015 at 06:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrieus View Post
    You shouldn't be using it with blood price in the first place. It's best to rotate between the two to avoid situations like the one you're suggesting.

    Also, people tend to under mind the usefulness that DA + DD brings. A 20% chance to evade ANY incoming damage?
    A 20% chance to evade MP recovery, I sure do want that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disc View Post
    A 20% chance to evade MP recovery, I sure do want that.
    .....Then I'll ask the obvious question here.....why are you using Blood Price with DA + DD when you already know that if you dodge the attack you won't get any mp back? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic to everyone else that's doing this or your just running two defensive utilities at incorrect times and complaining about it...

    And Phoenicia, your point is absolutely vaild and I don't feel the need to take it further as you do understand the purpose behind evasion mitigation. Just don't forget that with the ability, you still get a parry rate increase as well (which still grants you access to possible repeated use of low blow stuns and reprisal). With that being said, it's better to compare this ability to something like Bulwark rather than rampart since Drk already has Shadowskin which is literally the same thing as rampart. See what I mean? It's like Bulwark but potentially better since you now have the possibility of dodging something like a tank buster that works for both physical and magical attacks. It may not be completely reliable, but when you dodge stuff like Discoid in A4 or repeated Flare Breaths from T13....it's a glorious thing.

    And if people can't see how useful this can really be...then too bad for them.

    Oh yeah...completely forgot to mention the extra benefit from DA + Dark passenger's blind effect. That helps out even more.
    But yeah, in short...don't be that guy/gal that used blood price with boosted dark dance....use some sense.
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    Last edited by Agrieus; 08-13-2015 at 09:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrieus View Post
    stuff
    Blood Price won't proc unless you get hit.
    Parry won't proc unless you get hit.
    Reprisal won't be usable unless you parry.
    Low blow won't proc unless you parry.

    More then a few issues. :'3

    I would rather Dark Knights get a "special" block that blocks damage and reduces it or a "ward" that regenerates.

    Its counterproductive.
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    Last edited by Nektulos-Tuor; 08-13-2015 at 09:54 AM.

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