The "Casual PvP Problem" (For Tomes and Exp) and Possible Fixes

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

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In game leader boards and achievements would be lovely additions just in general. I also think that Wolf Marks should have more utility, like the way we can use hunting seals to purchase goods. PvP gear is nice, but it really has no use (besides glamour) outside of PvP. There should be a PvP vendor that sells PvE gear, or housing stuff, or ... whatever. Just to provide some variety, because, lets face it, once you get to level cap and get all the vanity gear you want, your wolf marks just sit there. Especially for casual PvP'ers. They just cap their marks and don't spend them on anything.

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Originally Posted by morerancor

You do understand if no one ques for the bad gc there is no pvp.

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I'm not convinced. On your server Adders might suck. On mine they are highly competitive. The thing is, Alliances in PvP are made up of players from multiple worlds. So, it is literally impossible to say definitively which GC is "good" or "bad." People have always changed GC's on snap judgments. I'd be more concerned about que times dying simply because people stop playing entirely.
You hit a problem on the head though. You're right that we might not be able to do anything about Tome bonuses, and changing them could hurt ques. Exp bonuses might be the only real solution to a couple of problems.

One suggestion I've made in the past is to tie PVP rewards to points earned. It makes it in the players' best interests to help out, and uses a metric the game already has in place.

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

They don't need to penalize PVE rewards, just add PVP scoring designs that make it more addictive and straight forward for new and casuals imo

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This guy knows what to do. And in game PvP exp wouldn't hurt either.

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Originally Posted by Februs

I'm not convinced. On your server Adders might suck. On mine they are highly competitive. The thing is, Alliances in PvP are made up of players from multiple worlds. So, it is literally impossible to say definitively which GC is "good" or "bad." People have always changed GC's on snap judgments. I'd be more concerned about que times dying simply because people stop playing entirely.
You hit a problem on the head though. You're right that we might not be able to do anything about Tome bonuses, and changing them could hurt ques. Exp bonuses might be the only real solution to a couple of problems.

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It's strange. Iv'e heard Adders on Diabolos are good, but im in that datacenter and a 15% win rate for Adders is being generous.

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Originally Posted by Farrell

It's strange. Iv'e heard Adders on Diabolos are good, but im in that datacenter and a 15% win rate for Adders is being generous.

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The problem (if we can call it that) is that the teams in each match are made up of a collection of pvp'ers from multiple different worlds in the same date centre. In my experience, Adders are roughly around 30%, but I have no idea if the ones I've faced are from Diabolos. They could be a mix up. They could be a pre-made from some other world. I have no way of knowing.
The point is that, if I'm being completely honest with myself, I can't say that I've seen a single GC dominate in pvp, and my personal win / loss reflects that. It's almost even. Switching GC's to chase wins happens all the time, but it doesn't really make a difference unless you can somehow guarantee you'll only be playing with the best players in your GC. Switching is almost always a snap judgement.

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Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

This guy knows what to do. And in game PvP exp wouldn't hurt either.

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This^^ exp awarded for kills, nodes, flags, drone kills, raises in game; no different than killing a mob in duties, awarded instantly instead of at end of the match, and leave the exp, tomes, and marks awarded end match the same. This would attract a large player base. Instant gratification, please SE

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

This^^ exp awarded for kills, nodes, flags, drone kills, raises in game; no different than killing a mob in duties, awarded instantly instead of at end of the match, and leave the exp, tomes, and marks awarded end match the same. This would attract a large player base. Instant gratification, please SE

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Everything except Exp for kills, I think. Getting Exp for kills in Slaughter is fine, since that's the game mode, but I think giving Exp for kills in Seize or capture would be a mistake. It's already hard enough to get your team to focus on objectives instead of chasing enemies in pointless fights. If you rewarded them for those worthless kills it would be anarchy. No one would care about objectives anymore and people who like to play competitively would be held back by the casual players who only care about themselves. Otherwise, yes. I think the biggest improvement they could add to PvP right now is in match bonuses that reward you for playing well.

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Originally Posted by Februs

Everything except Exp for kills, I think. Getting Exp for kills in Slaughter is fine, since that's the game mode, but I think giving Exp for kills in Seize or capture would be a mistake. It's already hard enough to get your team to focus on objectives instead of chasing enemies in pointless fights. If you rewarded them for those worthless kills it would be anarchy. No one would care about objectives anymore and people who like to play competitively would be held back by the casual players who only care about themselves. Otherwise, yes. I think the biggest improvement they could add to PvP right now is in match bonuses that reward you for playing well.

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Kills are important in Seize, though - they're more important than B ranks, and about as important as A ranks. Try winning a game of Seize with a kill differential of -250, and get back to me.

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Originally Posted by Kyani

Kills are important in Seize, though - they're more important than B ranks, and about as important as A ranks. Try winning a game of Seize with a kill differential of -250, and get back to me.

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''Kills are important in Seize.''