Bard DPS on dummy, need inputs

Waited way too long for first blood letter, should've been the first move you did after straight shot because you easily would've had another one by the time you actually used it and you delayed some of your bloodletters for less damaging/cooldown oGCD moves. You were good with your cooldowns from what I saw pairing up raging strikes/internal release and barrage/hawk eye/blood for blood. You're opener is a mess, where did you learn it from? I'd suggest using either of these two openers. 1 2 as both have been tested as reliable, the first has a good ramp up whereas the second has amazing burst, but delays your cooldowns a little be more if you use barrage on your second EA. You also should pop your flaming arrow after you pop all of your cooldowns so it gets the full benefit of the damage and crit ups.

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Originally Posted by Geardagas

How can you even begin to compare it without misery though? It goes without saying that it's a huge part of our dps.

I personally have no problem with bards dps (or new playstyle, for that matter). We are more than competitive as far as I'm concerned, and if you factor in the dps increase that requiem adds to the raid, we're on par with everyone else.

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Because it fucks with the parse on if a dummy is to get within 20% of their HP to use it before filling up again. It skews it to be unreliable because that would never happen in an actual fight.

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Originally Posted by Geardagas

How can you even begin to compare it without misery though? It goes without saying that it's a huge part of our dps.

I personally have no problem with bards dps (or new playstyle, for that matter). We are more than competitive as far as I'm concerned, and if you factor in the dps increase that requiem adds to the raid, we're on par with everyone else.

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o.O? what? So drg's crit buff and piercing debuff, nins group wide buffs and slashing debuff, smn's virus, war's slashing debuffs are not as important as brd's requiem? Hate to break it to you but brd's and mch dps is horrible and not even close to being on par with SMN. And yet SMN has virus, in battle raise and sub par healing to help with tight spots and it's just as viable as brds tp/mp songs. I don't know how many times I have seen SMN saving a group from a wipe all bc of in battle raise to a healer, tank or dps.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

Unfortunately I do not like any other class in the game. BLM was awesome in 2.0 but I don't like 3.0 blm. I like range classes simple as that. And that whole mp/tp utility is total bs and just an excuse. Ninja and SMN brings just as much utility as a brd and don't try to run around that. Seriously a dps that can do in battle Raise and sub par healing is support but doesn't receive any penalty for raising while in combat o.O? Its a lazy way to not allow brds to be just as vital in dps as other classes. I'm not asking for melee based damage but I would like to see brds to be on the same level as a smn while not being a mp/tp battery. There is no excuse for brds to be a pathetic dps.

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NIN can only restore tp to one other party member every 2 min. Bards tp regen blows that out of the water by doing it to everyone in the party. SMN shouldn't be raising in any kind of competitive environment, that is a healer task and if SMN has to rez it is a 7 second cast and consumes a ton of MP It is an enormous drain on dps and resources for the SMN. SMN healing is a joke and should not be done in anything above level 30 or so because it is so pitifully weak (BLM can cross class this too, so its not a support component from my perspective).

BRD and MCH clearly have utility above the other Jobs, as such the lower dps. Devs have recently commented on this after HW release and solidified this outlook on the Jobs as being correct.

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Originally Posted by Medieval

Waited way too long for first blood letter, should've been the first move you did after straight shot because you easily would've had another one by the time you actually used it and you delayed some of your bloodletters for less damaging/cooldown oGCD moves. You were good with your cooldowns from what I saw pairing up raging strikes/internal release and barrage/hawk eye/blood for blood. You're opener is a mess, where did you learn it from? I'd suggest using either of these two openers.1 2 as both have been tested as reliable, the first has a good ramp up whereas the second has amazing burst, but delays your cooldowns a little be more if you use barrage on your second EA. You also should pop your flaming arrow after you pop all of your cooldowns so it gets the full benefit of the damage and crit ups.



Because it fucks with the parse on if a dummy is to get within 20% of their HP to use it before filling up again. It skews it to be unreliable because that would never happen in an actual fight.

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Thanks for the in depth analysis. Yeah, I noticed I used Blunt Arrow instead of Bloodletter when I double weaved, I blame it on me being tired cause I never prioritise that one otherwise.

I didn't think double weaving was still worth it with Minuet, but I parsed like an extra 50dps over 2 mins using the first rotation you linked, so thanks. I don't understand why you wanna use bloodletter right before using Straight Shot though, sure it'll be up again before the buffs wear off but it just feels strange. I did use flaming arrow after all the buffs so I'll ignore that one :P.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

NIN can only restore tp to one other party member every 2 min. Bards tp regen blows that out of the water by doing it to everyone in the party. SMN shouldn't be raising in any kind of competitive environment, that is a healer task and if SMN has to rez it is a 7 second cast and consumes a ton of MP It is an enormous drain on dps and resources for the SMN. SMN healing is a joke and should not be done in anything above level 30 or so because it is so pitifully weak (BLM can cross class this too, so its not a support component from my perspective).

BRD and MCH clearly have utility above the other Jobs, as such the lower dps. Devs have recently commented on this after HW release and solidified this outlook on the Jobs as being correct.

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Forget about it man. I agree with you as a BRD main my self. and in my opinion playing BRD, we can be a little on par with the pure class dps if your going to play it really well. If Astral145 feels that BRD are weak and should get a buff, then(he needs to work on his rotations more) he wants BRD to be broken again(which will not happen). and from reading his POV on BRD/MCH he clearly hasnt done any hard content at all since he does'nt feel how useful BRD/MCH in a party. He's only basing his POV from easy dungeons/trials which you dont have to use any BRD/MCH utility as much.

its not worth explaining to him.

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Originally Posted by Rysk

Forget about it man. I agree with you as a BRD main my self. and in my opinion playing BRD, we can be a little on par with the pure class dps if your going to play it really well. If Astral145 feels that BRD are weak and should get a buff, then(he needs to work on his rotations more) he wants BRD to be broken again(which will not happen). and from reading his POV on BRD/MCH he clearly hasnt done any hard content at all since he does'nt feel how useful BRD/MCH in a party. He's only basing his POV from easy dungeons/trials which you dont have to use any BRD/MCH utility as much.

its not worth explaining to him.

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Exactly BRD's utility is for savage raids or when other players are screwing up so bad that it makes the healer burn through mp. And saying that I have a bad rotation is an opinion ... its not that hard to weave in buffs in-between gcds and making sure to pop crit buff b4 applying dots for those sexy blood procs or aoe. BRD 3.0 is all about timing and knowing the mechanics and knowing when to use certain buffs...ect. I wouldn't mind if the devs made brds lose 45% dmg at the cost of singing a pretty little tune but if not being a tp/mp battery brds should be on par with SMN. Brds already have 20% to 25% less damage than other dps with comparable gear/skill 100% of the time. Then on top of that we lose another 15% damage when we sing a song? What kind of logic is that?

PLUS brds TAKE UP A DPS SLOT IN ALL CONTENT. Show me where there is a SUPPORT DPS slot in DF?

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Originally Posted by Astral145

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I mean when all the top tier raid groups are using bards it's pretty obvious they're in a good spot.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

PLUS brds TAKE UP A DPS SLOT IN ALL CONTENT. Show me where there is a SUPPORT DPS slot in DF?

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- its just a DF slot it doesnt define your "class" what ever man.

If you think you can play your BRD well, then there's no need for complaining here and you should be close to the other DPS's damage dealt. If you feel BRD is weak then youre not doing it right.
Im tired of seeing crying posts when it comes to BRD get over it

- log in to your game, practice your BRD and rotations, do hard content and get good! and thats all ther is to it. period

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Originally Posted by tomtensfarfar

I didn't think double weaving was still worth it with Minuet, but I parsed like an extra 50dps over 2 mins using the first rotation you linked, so thanks. I don't understand why you wanna use bloodletter right before using Straight Shot though, sure it'll be up again before the buffs wear off but it just feels strange. I did use flaming arrow after all the buffs so I'll ignore that one :P.

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You want to open with blood letter so it's up sooner and it doesn't hurt your oGCD weaving. If you are follow the 1st opener then you should have a decent amount of buffs up and blood letter should be up again even if you got 0 procs. It's a good opener, just keep working with it and most of your buffs should realign.

As for everyone else..While I also have issues with Bard let's try and focus.. OP is asking about Bard's rotation.....

With Ilvl 190 is parse 950 Dps.
With Dragoon debuff on the dummy iam arround 1050 dps.

3 min without miserys.