718 Crafts/695 Control

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

Because CP 4 is cap, and CP is the most valuable stat. Every point helps. And overmelding a T4 Materia on the first forbidden slot isn't too bad with 29%

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So I should put a CP +4 in all left side slots first, then Control IV's and save Craftmanship III and IV's for over melds?

using that info I'm looking at something like:
Head: CP IV and Control IV
Chest: CP IV and Control IV
Hands: CP IV and Control IV
Legs: CP IV and Control IV
Feet: CP IV and Control IV
Waist: CP IV

and then for my first Over meld in each one go for a Craft III (+5), Second Over meld Control III?

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Originally Posted by KagatoAC

So I should put a CP +4 in all left side slots first, then Control IV's and save Craftmanship III and IV's for over melds?

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Mine is as follows:

Head, Hand, Leg, Feet: CP4, Control4, Control4, Craft2, Craft2
Body: CP4, Craft4, Craft4, Craft3
Belt: CP4, Control4, Control3, Craft2, Craft1
Neck, Wrist: CP4, CP3, Control3, Craft2, Craft1
Earring: CP4, CP4, Control3, Craft2, Craft1
Rings: Control4, CP3, Control2, Craft2, Craft1

With this, I have enough Craft for ** and then I get the missing Control with NQ Seafood Stew until I have the crafted Off-Hand which will be my first item I craft. Although it costs some gil, you should overmeld the first forbidden slot with a T4 materia. My variant is a mid-cost variant which is enough for **, if you're shitting gil, then you can do more optimal melds (T4 materia on second/third forbidden slot)

I'm really not too worried about playing with the 2 Star HQ stuff tbh, I'm not a High end bleeding edge crafter :) it will probably be weeks before I even bother with more than the basic melds, and longer before I worry about Red Scrip crafting. if anything I'll collect red script casually and use it to buy the Upgraded tools. Since I fully expect SE to decide to make an omni gear set again in a few months anyway.

As far as Food goes atm, I'm sort of addicted to the Onion Soup HQ

I intend to craft my own jewelry shortly as well, but I will farm most if not all my own materia for over melds, so its sort of a gradual process :)

while I'm on the subject, does Craft get high enough on current gear so you can do the 320 progress items in one shot, ever?

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Originally Posted by Mature

Another thing, if you trying to craft something 60** AND you have specialists you don't need so much CP at all. Just have the require control and enough craftman and a boulle food and the specialist action will cover the entra control and extra durability.

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Who uses specialist actions? They require too much rng on good procs to be useful.

I posted all the optimal melds on http://xivdb.com/
Basically you max control/CP/And drop in one crafting IV materia into everything to get the optimal stats. The exceptions to this rule being rings, chest, mainhand and offhand.

You can look at my gear here:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R59U

Note the set listed there does not use V materia, and is BIS for everything except Chest/Main/Offhand (which you can't max). This puts me at Craftsman 722, Control 700 and 402 CP. The extra CP is for a very specific macro which basically lets me macro craft new one start items HQ.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

Who uses specialist actions? They require too much rng on good procs to be useful.

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I do and it works like wonders for me. I worked out that having a good craft and control you won't need that colossal Cp extra required. so far I haven't had a single issue with it.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I do and it works like wonders for me. I worked out that having a good craft and control you won't need that colossal Cp extra required. so far I haven't had a single issue with it.

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In theory, yes. However, I've had several synths that had 1 or less condition changes over 45+ steps. I've used Heart of the Crafter and seen 1 good proc during the duration. These both cost 36 and 45 CP to take advantage of. The nature of those costs combined with them potential providing zero return is reason enough not to use them.

The skills are great in concept, but poorly executed in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

Who uses specialist actions? They require too much rng on good procs to be useful.

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i used them with Maker's Mark. I use Whistle and Comfort Zone at the beginning, wasting 2 stacks of MM but it highly increases your chance to get your whistle stacks low enough for it to be worth it.